[ SECRET POST #2107 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2107 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[gravity falls]


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03.
[Kuroko no Basket]


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04.
[World of Warcraft]


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05.
[Batman: Arkham City]


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06.
[Blake's 7]


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07.
[Sherlock (2002)]


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08.
[Beelzebub]


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09.
[Kuroko no Basuke]


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10.
[Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun]


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11.
[Spec Ops: The Line]


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12.
[Supernatural]


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[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]


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14.
[Legend of Korra]


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15.
[Community]


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16.
[The Good Guy]


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17.
[Journey Into Mystery 2011]


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18.
[Rune Factory 3]


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19.
[Journey]



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20.
[South Park]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 065 secrets from Secret Submission Post #301.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Ukefication and Exclusive Bottoming in porny fanfic?

[tamabonotchi]

But why?

Re: Ukefication and Exclusive Bottoming in porny fanfic?

[stainless]

"Why do people like things?" is a bottomless pit of confusion and despair, IMO.

I don't know why I like feminine bottoms. I don't know why I like exaggerated portrayals of them in stories. But I do. (I don't, as I mention below, like the conflation of either "feminine" or "bottom" with "dysfunctional wimp," though.)

People seem to think people like it because they want to straightify gay relationships, and that's never made sense to me personally. I mean maybe that's what other people are doing? But I'm pretty sure I'm queer, and even when I'm wanting guys, I'm much more likely to go gaga over feminine ones. So this notion that it's about straight people wanting everything to look like themselves and yet... also be... um, gay... well, it confuses me.

That it confuses me doesn't mean it's not going on, though.

But I will say, having known feminine gay men and feminine straight men, that they're looked down upon in the real world too, so I tend to view these issues through a lens of "femininity is devalued in general" rather than a lens of "uke is a particular stereotype a lot of people don't like." I suspect part of why "uke is a particular stereotype a lot of people don't like" IS ""femininity is devalued in general."

So I side-eye more than others do.

Re: Ukefication and Exclusive Bottoming in porny fanfic?

[tamabonotchi]

I like feminine bottoms, too, but uke-ifying characters just becomes too extreme, because then it's just yaoi with names I know of. Yaoi is people straightifying gay relationships, because it's a niche of straight women making for straight women with what they want. It's not like actual gay relationship at all because it's just one big fetish for women.

The perspectives are definitely interesting as I haven't thought about how not liking it is because of the ingrained assumptions about guys and feminine attributes.

I guess it boils down to uke/seme roles are not my kinks.

Re: Ukefication and Exclusive Bottoming in porny fanfic?

[stainless]

I see your point, and I do think that happens. I'm not saying it doesn't.

But I ALSO think a lot of straight women, and some gay women, have an idea that feminine male bottoms are somehow not real, are just a stereotype. And that I think is rooted in femmephobia -- which is rooted in sexism, actually. "Don't be like a woman." In this case, "Don't make a man 'into' a woman."

To me, it presupposes the idea that a woman is a bad thing to be. Especially when I see women who don't like it going on to say "Men should act like MEN. I'm attracted to MEN!" where they seem to mean masculine men. To me that has a lot to do with many (not all, but many) straight women liking the "differences" between men and women as something they eroticize.