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⌈ Secret Post #2110 ⌋

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13. [SPOILERS for Warehouse 13]

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19. [WARNING for rape]

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21. [WARNING for suicide]

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I was aware of her orientation! and I know that she's had horrible experiences and been taken advantage of, and she has every right to deal with that in whatever way helps. But idk, as a whole package, her personality grates on me.

I really like similar acts (ESPECIALLY Dresden Dolls and Rasputina, so you were spot on in that comparison), so I don't really know why hers bothers me so much more, except that it does. But, like you said, character of the singer does not musical quality make. And I really DO like some of her songs (my favorite is Shalotte).

But songs like Gothic Lolita ("You never did anything any man wouldn't do") still make me really uncomfortable. Sexism goes both ways, and a man singing about how all women are (insert insulting insinuation here) would be a huge deal. Although I am aware that certain genres of music are very misogynistic, it is pretty consistently seen as a negative trait, whereas with Emilie it's almost....glorified? Idk. Obviously she writes what she wants and is totally allowed to, I'm not saying she should "be stopped" or anything at ALL like that, but I feel that on the whole she promotes negative stereotypes for both genders AND for people with mental illnesses.

Edited 2012-10-13 02:46 (UTC)

Oh god.

You're one of those people who thinks misandry exists, aren't you?

Um. yes, I suppose I am? Obviously it's not as prevalent or damaging as misogyny is on a global level, but where I live it does EXIST. Racism is racism no matter which race is being targeted, isn't it? So why is sexism not the same? Or do you believe that it is impossible to discriminate against white males? I'm not saying white/male privilege isn't a thing, but I gues I AM saying that misandry exists in small amounts, and that it is just as unacceptable as misogyny?

also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry
(yes I know it is a wikipedia link and therefore doesn't count for much, but I thought I would include it)

Misandry does not refer to a cultural trend of hatred or prejudice against men, it refers to any instance of hatred against men for the sole reason of gender. Which does exist. That is a fact that no one can dispute, I hope.

How dare you suggest that everybody doesn't have to alter their language to conform to how certain departments at certain American universities have chosen to redefine words? Next you'll be saying that varieties of English other than Standard American English aren't wrong!

And you're one of those people who gets offended whenever you come across someone who either hasn't heard of or hasn't adopted the shocky academic redefinition of certain words.

It really wouldn't be so terrible to say "institutional racism" or "institutional sexism." It would be less confusing, considering that the meanings of the words racism, sexism, misogyny, and misandry are already well-established in the language, and people who haven't taken a sociology class or read an SJW's blog aren't going to know that there's a circle in which they mean something different.

But it isn't about clarity. It's about ticking people off. It's about pretending that creating more opportunities for righteous indignation actually effects some manner of change. It's ivory tower bullshit, is what it is. Because, in truth, redefining racism doesn't lessen its impact or make it go away, and, even worse, it changes the nature of the conversation. Time is wasted on arguing over the correct usage of a word, and before you can get to the part where you're discussing the actual problem, you've already driven the other person to shut down.

It's obfuscation for the purpose of feeling smug.

Oh not this again.

Misandry isn't a system. It's been used an individual state of mind. It does exist. Anybody can have it. If you want to change the definition till it means something else and argue that doesn't exist... your an idiot and that's your biggest problem.

Anybody can hate anybody. Deal with it.

"You never did anything any man wouldn't do"

I always thought she was aping victim-blaming rhetoric in a sarcastic way there, not actually espousing the statement herself.

Shalotte is my favorite song by her.

And without wading into the "does misandry exist" portion, I thought that line in Gothic Lolita was kind of... sarcastic? Like more throwing something the specific man had said back at him. (But I've heard that from predatory men before: "I didn't do anything any other man wouldn't! If what I did was wrong, every man ever should be thrown in prison, because that's a man's natural inclination!" so maybe that's what gave me that reading.)

I have to say, as someone who has a lot of trouble with detecting sarcasm (despite being incredibly sarcastic myself), it's entirely possible that it is meant that way and I just completely missed it. I actually hope that's the case, because then it's me being an idiot and not something actually problematic.

Also yes Shalotte is the best song ever. I could listen to it on repeat for hours probably.

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