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I always thought this was a stupid and pointless book. Yossarian was such a dick and so self-centered. A Clockwork Orange was so much better.

It's been a very long time since I read either book, but I remember thinking Clockwork was painfully overrated. This was confirmed for me when our teacher got giddy when she overheard one of her students using the slang outside of class. We were supposed to think we were clever for understanding it. But Catch-22, taught by the same teacher, was taught to us as a moral story.

The Clockwork movie is better than the book, IMHO, but neither of them are spectacular.

IAWTC. Though it probably depends on how and when you first read/watch it. At age 13 I thought the book was the best thing ever, then a couple years later I watched the movie and thought it was stupid and pointless, so I reread the book and found it actually WORSE.

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You obviously didn't Yossarian's character.

I honestly feel like you missed the point, anon.

Why are you comparing CLockwork Orange and Catch-22? There's nothing particularly similar about them. I mean, I guess broad similarity of themes, but I don't see any particular reason to group them together.

The misogyny is part of the book because that was what it was like when the book is set. It's a historical fact of those times, like slavery in books set in the early United States. So I don't see the problem with leaving it in.

Why not set this to film? It's a great book.

Why do you need a film? It's a perfectly good book on its own. And any adaptation would probably suck.

There was an adaptation 40 years ago and it was really good. Because of the book's social relevance, I agree with the OP that a new movie should be made. It's the best way to introduce the masses to the book.

The sexism was in-setting though. Heller's writing was quite self-aware about depicting the sexist antics as pathetic/ridiculous/compensating for something and Aarfy as a complete horrifying monster, even if the sexist humor was as tasteless and black as all the other humor.

I gotta say though, I'm not sure the format of the book would work for a good film. Some of it would be awesome (like Clevinger's trial OMFG) but there's so much description and backstory that informs the characters' actions I feel like a lot would be lost. *shrugs*

Sorry, but would somebody please name the book? I'm curious

Catch-22. Fairly iconic cover design, I guess most people thought it was clear.

It's a pretty good book! I would recommend it.

Few schools of any level in the US include this book in the curriculum anymore. The average person under the age of 30 doesn't know what is meant by a catch-22 (situation) at all. For that reason alone I wish they'd make a new movie adaptation.

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Books cover are not the same in all the countries

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If there are actors that can pull off the roles better than the current movie's, then bring it on. I think that it won't be remade badly because you can't make it into a dumb action thriller.

This is my absolute favorite book, and I have seen the film adaptation of it with Alan Arkin and Jon Voigt. It's pretty good, but I think the nature of the book makes it difficult to translate to film.

And as for all the sexism? To me it's always felt pretty tongue-in-cheek, like everyone knows all the characters are douchebags and deserve to be hit by an Italian prostitute with a shoe. That's part of its absurdity.

I liked the book, and I am EXTREMELY critical of misogyny in media, especially when it comes to old venerated stuff by white dudes.
I always thought that this is one of the very rare examples where misogyny is consciously depicted as such and driven to its conclusion, when Aarfy(?) actually murders a woman, because he doesn't regard her as a human being. That whole part where that happens is like the other side of the wacky-war-hijinks medal, where all the actual pain and death and senseless violence behind it comes out, and shows the rest of the novel in a completely different light. I know that that this is a common defense of misogyny in media, like, "but it's just the characters, not the author! the characters are sexist, the book isn't!", but in Catch22 I at least saw misogyny condemned by the narrative itself.
That's just re:the misogyny, I don't really care if there's another movie.

There's already a movie, it's pretty good, but didn't do very well because it came out the same year as MASH.

If you look at the kinds of things in production now, I'd say the chances of a new movie are about zero.

I love the book - it really helped me get through a rough time in my life...but I'm not sure how well it would really translate the entire story/tone to the screen. If nothing else, it really seems like it would lose a lot of [imo] the better parts of the book because they're back stories, or flashbacks that didn't have huge plot points.

Yeah, and there's so much of it that's just couched in pure irony, I think it would be really hard to get across. I haven't seen the Alan Arkin film, but that's one criticism I've heard of it.

This book was depressing as hell, and i remember my dad hated it, though i don't know if he read it or saw the movie.

I'm...indifferent to a new film. I don't like the book enough to care.

I really enjoyed that book. It's one of the "literature" books that I read on my own. The whole laughing in the face of futility. The characters each coping in their own irrational way.