[ SECRET POST #2111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2111 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I just wonder why anyone would want to a describe a group of people as "not knowing their place", and whether they are conscious of assuming a model in which the group so described is less powerful than them and should act more deferentially towards them?

[fadeinthewash]

While I'm aware of the history of "uppity," a lot of the times I see it used, it's in the "arrogant, self-important" sense. And since, in this case, the British aren't exactly a people who have been in a historic position to get dismissed as "uppity," it seems a little contrived to complain about its use here.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really? I mean, it would sound really weird to me to describe American fic writers who write Harry and Hermione as worrying about medical fees as "uppity", or American commenters who complain about British fic writers using words like "bloody" as "uppity".

I think the connotation of "doesn't know their place" is always there. It only means "arrogant, self-important" in as much as those people should know that they are less important, and that their opinions matter less than other people's. If someone is in charge and in control, they cannot be uppity even though they can be arrogant.

To choose the word in this context is telling. I mean, is it even arrogant to get annoyed about out of character speech, especially if it's a specific recurring problem?

[fadeinthewash]

But I think it was used in relation to hypocritical annoyance with OOC speech..."not knowing their place" in terms of trying to be the arbiters of correct Britspeak usage while not bothering with the inverse. It makes sense to me in that case, but (I agree) not with your medical fee example.

I think the connotation of "doesn't know their place" is always there. ... If someone is in charge and in control, they cannot be uppity even though they can be arrogant.
Good point(s)!

[(Anonymous)]

Original anon

It's intensely aggravating to suddenly have British slang creep into American characters' speech when Brits get so uppity about the opposite. You'd think they'd take the time to find a beta.

The context was that Brits tend to pitch a fit about AmE slang creeping into speech but turn around and use BrE in American characters' speech. Because it's hypocritical, it actually fits the original meaning of uppity quite well, although I meant it in its current meaning. Uppity is currently a direct synonym of arrogant or self-important in AmE. You can't necessarily use the etymology of a word to determine its current meaning or "lousy", "cracking", "jolly", "cool", "gay", and "bloody", to name a few, wouldn't make any sense.