[ SECRET POST #2118 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2118 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[intrigueing]

I'm curious, can you explain to us what IS the way that 99% of Steve/Tony is written that you hate? Because I've seen about 27 different ways of writing Steve/Tony, and none of them seem to cover 99% of all Steve/Tony fanfic.

I only ship Steve/Tony in the comics (and seriously, their dynamic is SO different in the comics on so many levels I'm rather baffled that comics!Steve/Tony shippers would ship movie!Steve/Tony, unless their reasons for shipping them in the movies are completely and totally different), but I really don't find any Avengers pairings offensive, because there's so many different ways to write every pairing just by extrapolating from canon that I can almost always hit on something that works for nice short fics or porn, even if I don't actually ship it and therefore would be uninterested in long plotty romance stories about them.

Really, I've started shipping (or at least started understanding/stopped disliking) a LOT of ships after reading a particularly good fic that plays on some subtext in an interesting new way that makes my brain's lightbulb flick on.

But yeah I feel you on how some TYPES of Avengers pairings are really offensive. Like ones where Clint fails at baseline human existence and needs Coulson to tell him how to go to the bathroom. Or ones where Steve bullying and shaming Tony into suppressing his eccentricities and behaving like a proper little '50s wife is portrayed as a happily-ever-after romance arc. Or ones where Clint moons after frigid!bitch!Natasha and thinks she's the ~greatest and idolizes her while she treats him like crap. Or all the ones where Thor is basically dehumanized and fetishized into a fascinating sex toy for Steve/Clint/whoever. Or ones where Tony likes Loki because he reminds him of the bad stuff Tony did, even though that makes no fucking sense because Tony made it clear in IM1 that he hates his pre-Afghanistan self and thought there was absolutely no excuse for what he did, so he sure as fuck wouldn't think there was any excuse for what Loki did.

*sigh* I guess the absence of shipping wars in this fandom means a whole fuckload of really infuriating ways of treating the characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but I CAN'T STAND this amazingly common pattern-

Steve as a pearl clutching virgin from the 40's who blushes and gets flustered at the mere mention of anything related to sex and/or any other bodily function, who can get 'mad' EVER, just 'sad' or 'disappointed'. He's so good he could make Mother Theresa be ashamed of herself, he has no life of his own and he devotes his free time to volunteering at soup kitchens, fixing orphanages and helping little old ladies cross the street.

Tony as a flamboyant, muddle headed teenager whose main interests are movies, parties, music, etc. Physics? Electronics? Inventing stuff? Science? Forget it! That's BORING! Of course, he's super smart. That he never does anything particularly smart is just coincidence. He's also very friendly and lets everyone over because, as we all know, he just loves being constantly surrounded by strangers.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes to everything in those two posts above!

Oh, oh and lets not forget that Tony loves cuddling/groping/touching everyone, so he doesn't mind being petted and hugged and he crawls into his team members laps all the time, because in addition of acting like a horny teenager all the time, he's kinda like a love-starved animal as well.

[dazzledfirestar]

Yup. That pretty much sums up my problems with Steve and Tony (not just as a pairing but separately as well) in a lot of fandom.

[intrigueing]

Well, he WAS building everyone floors of their own his tower, and he did kinda invite Bruce over and offer him a job in his R&D department about an hour after meeting him....but the completely easy and open way it's done in fic and the way it's "oh yeah, Tony invited us over!" instead of "OMGWTFBBQ Tony's actually inviting us over????? makes me shake my head. I maintain that there's not a lot of premises that are fundamentally stupid, but there sure as hell are a lot of stupid ways to execute a premise.

Also it's such a waste of awesome fic -- I would so prefer fics where Tony is trying to come up with a million contradictory super-unsentimental grouchy no-seriously-I-totally-do-not-want-to-look-at-any-of-your-faces-not-me-no-sir-who-told-you-that? excuses for the Avengers to move in and at first is all antisocial and faily and reluctant about it even though it was his idea. Sigh...while my comics exposure makes the transition from end-of-film to super-close-team easy to process, I still generally have to pretend a lot of Avengers fic takes place at least a year or two after the movie to make any kind of sense.

[nyxelestia]

I hate those tropes, too. Nearly swore off Steve/Tony fic at the beginning of my semester.

That said, I've been seeing far, far less of them recently, so maybe try dipping back in? I'd say look for long fic, the really plotty ones - those usually don't have those Steve/Tony tropes. :)

[(Anonymous)]

He's also very friendly and lets everyone over because, as we all know, he just loves being constantly surrounded by strangers.

Well, this is pretty much impossible to avoid because he IS kinda turning Stark Tower into Avengers Tower and designing floors for all the other Avengers in his home, and the ability for him to be friendly and work well with others IF he actually tries to or wants to is nicely laid out in the film, especially with his relationship with Bruce. It's a pretty fascinating bit of character development.

HOWEVER, fic writers never comment or analyze or elaborate on this character development or acknowledge the fact that is is character development. They just kind of run with it like it's a blatantly obvious move and not a complicated or new idea at all. Why would you spend your time teasing out a character's changes and thought process and motivations when you could just write shallow soppy romantic cliches full of Big Misunderstands and capable adults acting like high school kids, amirite?