[ SECRET POST #2118 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2118 ⌋

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Comments

[agnes_bean]

It's been for love, and acting for love, no matter how twisted, cannot make you a villain.

Jaime "The Things I Do For Love" Lannister would like to argue with that.

(Vague GoT/ASOIAF spoilers follow, with an actual spoiler for the first episode of the show/an early part of the first book.)

I'm actually a huge Jaime fan and think he has really understandable motivations for most of the things he's done, and think he is going through a very interesting possible redemption arc. But that doesn't change the fact that he pushed a child out of a window, and it's not defensible (or, for many, forgivable) just because his entire world view has been warped by his love for his sister and his emotionally abusive father. He was clearly painted as a villain in the first book/season, and if people want to continue to see him that way because of what he did to Bran, I have a really hard time arguing with that -- and this is in the ASOIAF verse, which involves WAY more moral ambiguity than OUAT-verse.

Or, another example: Walter White. He starts off doing what he does at least in part out of love for his family. If you ask him, it's ALL out of love for his family, though clearly it becomes about power. I think the same is true of Regina, to be honest, though her lust for power might be linked more to the corrupting power of magic than Walter's is to the corrupting power of anything but his own personality.

While Regina's actions come from an understandable root, I think she clearly is villain in Season 1. Same for Rumple, who I adore to death (and who I happen to think does most of what he does not for power, but to find a way back to Bae, but that is neither here nor there -- he's still a villain to me, though an understandable and potentially redeemable one). But I agree with the person above -- I think it might boil down to differing definitions of villain. I don't think it's a set category that characters are stuck in, either. If Regina (or Rumple, for that matter) actually is redeemed, than in my opinion she'll be a character a lot like Anakin Skywalker: A good character who become a villain and then is redeemed.

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I agree with this comment.

[agnes_bean]

Oh, I thought of an even better/less ambiguous example a villain motivated by love: Uther from Merlin. He blamed magic for his beloved wife's death and therefore went kinda insane and banned all magic and killed anyone practicing magic.

Totally motivated by love/a broken heart, a la Regina. Totally has moments where he is sympathetic and understandable. Still a villain.