[ SECRET POST #2120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2120 ⌋

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Comments

[kathkin]

Yeah I was going to mention the civil rights movement allegory but the film series generally only uses the queer allegory - which tbh makes the 'mutant cure' thing more icky because the idea of a 'gay cure' does get thrown around from time to time.

Then again I do think that implying that Rogue was in the wrong equally icky because dude it's her body, she can do what she likes with it.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Thiiisssss. I hated it so much when after X3 came out, a bunch of Rogue bashers (usually Bobby/Kitty and Bobby/John fans) called her a weak traitor for taking the cure. Fuck you, if I had her shitty power I'd want the cure too. I'd like to be able to make out with someone without sending them into a coma, thanks

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw the queer allegory in the films, I assumed they were using an oppressed group as allegory, specifically Jews, which was why the very first scene in the first movie took place in a Concentration Camp. And why Magneto had such a problem with mutants being "legislated". And why Xavier's "they were only following orders" comment to Eric in First Class was met with much booing and hissing.

But i guess that's splitting hairs since homosexuals are also an oppressed group.

[(Anonymous)]

X-men seems to mix a lot of its allegory tbh. The line in the second film "have you tried...not being a mutant?" was definitely a reference to homosexuality for instance. But in other films they like using different metaphors. It's all kind of confusing/silly

[(Anonymous)]

But is that quote - "have you tried not being a mutant?" - specific to being gay? I remember Joyce Summers saying that to Buffy in the s3 finale when Buffy finally revealed her sucktastic destiny, back in the dark ages of 1999. "Have you tried not being a slayer?" And being the Slayer was definitely NOT coded as being gay.

[truxillogical]

No, but that was the joke (in Buffy). The Slayer wasn't "code" for anything, but "Have you tried not being gay?" is/was a common enough question, sort of short-hand for "We're not going to disown you, and we still love you, but this makes us uncomfortable, and we think you may just be doing it to upset us." The joke was Joyce taking that line and using it in a completely different context, and that the answer to both questions is the same: "No, this is who I am."

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I get it better now. :)

I think I got confused because I assumed Joss Whedon had something to do with XM2 and he wrote Becoming I and II. I thought he was recycling the line. Thanks for clarifying!

[kathkin]

In the first film, yeah, I can see that, but in X2 they had a dramatic coming out scene with Bobby and his family, complete with 'have you tried not being a mutant'. And apparently they consulted Ian MacKellan about that scene, so it was obviously intentional.

It is splitting hairs a bit, though, the allegory falls apart in the third film either way.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember that scene with Bobby and his family. It's funny how differently things can be seen. All I remember was when Bobby's brother calling the authorities on Bobby and the others...and it reinforced my notion that being a Mutant was more like being Jewish during WWII.

Yeah. I think the allegory is a little too mixy.