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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-10-24 06:33 pm

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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] fenm 2012-10-25 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
If I were having a son, it would absolutely be the father's call whether or not to circumcise.

Shouldn't it be your son's decision, when he's old enough to make it?
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] tyger66 2012-10-25 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
See, that's the thing. I really don't know enough to make any kind of call. I was under the impression that having it done older was riskier? But what's important is that I DON'T KNOW. :/

So, I figured that if a decision absolutely had to be made at birth, it shouldn't be me making it.

(For real...I thought circumcision was like having your tonsils out -- risk increases with age?)
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] fenm 2012-10-25 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know either, honestly. I'm female and I'm not planning on having kids, so I don't really have... skin in the game (sorry, sorry). I just really don't like the idea of people making decisions about other people's bodies, even their kids.
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] tyger66 2012-10-25 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Well, as I said a little further upthread, any discussion of children on my part is completely hypothetical, since I don't even plan on ever having sex, much less children.

I've just been operating on the (possibly completely wrong) assumption that that was a decision that was pretty much exclusively made at birth, so there's no way of knowing what the child/future!man will want.

If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to make a choice, I would say no to circumcision, because of the reasons you said. I have no right to make that kind of decision for a child, even if they are incapable of making the decision for themselves (themself? idk). But unfortunately, there are times when people are required to make decisions for others, which is why I would leave it to someone who has at least a vague idea of what the long-term consequences would be.
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] tasogare_n_hime 2012-10-25 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
This, I don't think anyone should messing around with any part of another persons body without their permission unless it's a medical necessity. I actually kinda freaked out once when one of my mom's friends had her baby daughter's ears pierced. I didn't know that was a thing until then. Mom's friend said it was easier to take care of the piercings that way.
All I could keep thinking was, "But what if she didn't want her ears pierced?" I know it's a small aesthetic decision, and that's why they didn't get why it upset me, but it's a decision about her own appearance that has been taken from her.

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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] fenm 2012-10-25 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I see little girls with earrings that are obviously pierced, and I'm just like, "Why?"
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] tyger66 2012-10-25 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I wish like hell that my parents had had my ears pierced when I was a baby. That way I wouldn't have remembered how awful it was! (I've had a lot of piercings since then, so it's safe to say I got over it, but WOW that hurt like a bitch.)

All the same, I wouldn't have MY (hypothetical) baby's ears pierced. It's purely cosmetic, which is why I would almost say it's objectively worse than circumcision, which at least is often done for religious reasons.
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[identity profile] with-rainfall.livejournal.com 2012-11-06 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2009/11/ear-piercing-in-hinduism-karnvedh-or.html

Actually, it is religious: my parents had my ears pierced when I was little. However, I don't think something automatically being religious makes it somehow more valid, if we're talking about whether children should be old enough to consent before having stuff done to their body.
Sure, people will say it's against their beliefs not to, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's objectively better to deny them the right to choose.

Not that I was traumatised by it for life, or anything :P

(Sorry, I know this discussion is old. Anonymouslyyours linked to it and I ssaw this, so...)

Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

(Anonymous) 2012-10-25 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's a minuscule hole in my ear. My ears got pierced when I was a baby and if I didn't want to wear earrings I just didn't wear them. I assure you it's the least upsetting thing that's ever happened to me and all the girls I grew up along with.

As for why, most of us got heirloom earrings, or got earrings as a present for being born. It's a latin american thing, I think, but still incredibly inconsequential stuff so quit judging people's parents.

Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

(Anonymous) 2012-10-25 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, and I wish my mother hadn't pierced my ears. Can't unpierce them but I could easily pierce them if they weren't.
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] yeahscience 2012-10-25 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really see what the big deal is about it, anon. You don't have to wear earrings. I doubt anyone can see the holes when you don't. I forget I have holes in my ears for weeks at a time, and I voluntarily had mine pierced.
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Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

[personal profile] cloud_riven 2012-10-25 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's the being voluntary that's the obvious difference. My mom is from Latin America like the previous anon, and there probably is a cultural reason to it, but fuck if I'm supposed to brush off someone poking poorly done holes in my ears when I was barely cognizant.

Re: So, tough week or so for Republicans, eh?

(Anonymous) 2012-10-25 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I mostly don't agree with it, though I do remember one family who had identical twin daughters, so to keep them apart, they got Sophia's ears pierces with silver, and Gwen's ears pierced with gold, so they could tell them apart. I thought it was kind of clever, and when the girls got old enough to be told apart more easily, they were given the option of keeping or taking out their earrings. I think either they both kept them, or Sophia stopped wearing hers, but I'm not actually sure...