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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-10-24 06:33 pm

[ SECRET POST #2122 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2122 ⌋

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Re: COMPLETELY SERIOUS QUESTIONS

[personal profile] themperor 2012-10-25 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my comment was definitely rambly and not really aimed at anyone in particular - I just have a lot FEELINGS both good and bad towards Derek as a character.

You make an excellent point that while we know a lot of the horrible shit that has gone down with Derek - no one else does. So it makes it easier for us to sympathize with him, but the others not so much. He definitely just comes off as a douche.

I feel like the writers are rather unsure what they want Derek to be too. I would rather him get a redemptive arch - mostly because if he dies or doesn't get one it will be really sad to me because I am a sucker for the 'last of my family' tropes. I do like that they haven't made him a 'knows everything about werewolves - kinda Scott's Yoda' and instead made him a horrible alpha because that never stops being funny to me.

The Peter stuff could BE SO INTERESTING. But I am afraid they are going to blow it by stuff that Deaton said in one of the last episodes (He told Derek not to trust Peter - because he was gonna make it seem like they would have to follow Peter in order to kill the kanima and they didn't have to) But Derek totally did start relying on Peter.

Peter - who killed Derek's sister - who he obviously had a close bond with. Peter who Derek killed to avenge said sister's death. Peter who is Derek's LAST SURVIVING family member. I mean I know I would be utterly confused and it could make for a really interesting relationship dynamic. But do I want Peter to be redeemed? God I have no idea.

And the Deaton stuff. Derek was running around ruining lives and now you decide to step in. Get your head our of your ass. And Deaton loves Scott and just said "Derek you have to trust him," Why should Derek just randomly trust you dude?

So. Yeah. I find Derek an incredibly grey character - though not morally grey if that makes sense. I think he's trying really really hard to be a good person and a good leader, but he just can't because of issues. But I have no idea how they are going to develop his character fully, because he has a ridiculously dark backstory for a teen show that show tends to use for drama, but then drop when they want funny scenes.

I have lots of Derek feels. And while I haven't seen it much yet - he definitely has a possibility to get into poor woob territory.

Re: COMPLETELY SERIOUS QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2012-10-25 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I would like to see Derek get some redemption, some healing(emotionally). I'd like to see him learn to be a good Alpha. I'd like to see him and Scott learn to work together instead of against each other. I....don't know if the show will go there or not. *shrugs*

(He told Derek not to trust Peter - because he was gonna make it seem like they would have to follow Peter in order to kill the kanima and they didn't have to) But Derek totally did start relying on Peter.

Did he? I admit I was confused about what exactly happened there. Because I know they were talking and researching together, but then ultimately Derek ignored Peter when Peter tried to tell him that they needed Lydia and ran off and tried to kill Jackson on his own, which backfired on him. But then they worked together at the end after he started changing, and I still don't understand what was going on there. Were they really trying to kill him (if so why? Fear of the next stage of the kanima or something?), or did they just know from their research that Jackson had to die and be "reborn" in order to activate the werewolf and completely eradicate the kanima? I didn't really know how to interpret that scene.

Derek was running around ruining lives and now you decide to step in.

Yes, Deaton's actions in S1 don't make a lot of sense in light of that little revelation. What possible reason could he have had to not just tell Derek the truth when Derek came and asked him about the Alpha and the revenge symbol on the deer? Why not give him some help instead of letting him run around clueless and half-crazed? (Granted, that doesn't excuse Derek trying to bash his head in, although I think Derek really did believe he was the Alpha at that point.)