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I think it was a decent movie that got a lot of extra credit because it was addressing a real-life issue that many people had been trying to sweep under the rug.

Welcome to the world of anywhere decent movies with subject matter that's often either ignored or treated badly.

Explain?

it's not just a real-life issue, but it's a true story. Brandon Teena was an actual person who was killed when his friends found out he was transgender.

maybe it seems overrated now, when people know about/address/accept transgenderism in fiction and real life, but when the movie came out and when the events portrayed in it happened, it was very much an unknown. in the context of its release, it carried more weight than it might now. I thought the film was powerful then, and I think it's powerful now. But I also know the story behind it (check out The Brandon Teena Story documentary) and, coming out just a year after Matthew Shepard was murdered (which my family was very concerned about and we went to candle lightings for him and everything, having a gay teen brother) it carries some emotional weight from that, too. It was at a time where violence against people with gender and sexuality differences was becoming more evident in the media and I think this film is an amazing example of people in the film industry trying to call attention to the problem.

Personally, I sort of hated that all the publicity for the movie down here in my country called Brandon 'a girl', and even said that the movie was about lesbians.

i admire your use of past tense, i wish i were as optimistic about the world around me

I'm more optimistic about the future than the present, but I think that a lot of activism has been going on and that these problems are being called attention to, which I feel is the first step toward fixing them. Not denying that it's still a horribly hard fight for people with gender (or sexuality) differences, but the mistreatment they often receive is more visible than ever and I think bit by bit we're moving toward a less hostile environment for everyone. (Unfortunately, the most hateful people are often the most vocal. Just look at Westboro Baptist Church. Made a lot of press and a huge reputation for itself, especially for a group that consists of only two families.)

You sound very young.

You sound massively condescending.

When we reach a point where films addressing topics such as (real life) transphobic hate crimes, and other similar/related issues are released considerably more frequently, and aimed at mainstream audiences, we will see an increase in criticism of their scrits/direction/cinematography etc. Until we reach that situation, films like this, which address often-ignored issues and manage to gain both critical acclaim and a higher than usual level of mainstream recognition will continue to be loved. The love for it is less to do with the quality of the film from a critic's perspective, and far more about the cultural significance this film, and the terrible story that it depicts.

In short, yes I will freely admit this film has failings in script, direction and production; but no, I don't think that really matters in this case.

Yep, this.

At this point, I think we have to take what we can get.

I've felt underwhelmed by a lot of gay and lesbian movies that came out in the 80's and 90's, but I can totally understand why, for LGBT people who are older than me in particular, those movies were really powerful. (And honestly, I don't think LGBT films have improved that much as a whole since then. I saw some really bad movies back when Logo still showed gay media.)

There's a dearth of transgender-themed movies, in particular. And Boys Don't Cry, being based on a true story, was important I think.

i think it may depend a lot on how old you were when the movie came out in 1999, and my guess would be that you were/maybe still are quite young

Can't Boys Don't Cry be overrated if it's still being considered a great film when its relevance has lessened? I mean, I watch Star Wars and TOS and think they're horribly overrated because I'm watching them out of a timeframe when the special effects weren't blatantly terrible.

Except its relevance is still pretty pressing. What other, better treatments of the trans* experience do we have after that point?

Personally I'm sort of sad that Soldier's Girl (with Lee Pace playing Calpernia Addams) gets no love because it was a made for TV movie and that Beautiful Boxer's subtitles scare people away from it, because they're both really lovely.

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I LOVED Soldier's Girl. I always wished it got more attention too.

Soldier's Girls was so awesome and so sad. I've never heard of Beautiful Boxer- must research!

This kind of thing baffles me. A movie is 'overrated' because the CGI/effects don't stand up to what we have today? That's like saying 'Casablanca' sucks because it's black and white.

It's the story, not the effects.

If the effects look shitty when the effects are an important part of the movie, then, yes, it is overrated. Part of the reason TOS and Star Wars were both lauded for their progressive special effects; Casablanca was never praised for being black and white.

Uh wow, no. AT THE TIME, SW had awesome effects. Yes, they're better now. But they don't detract from the movie unless that's the only reason you're going to *see* the movie, in which case - have fun watching a ton of crap-tastic, effects-laden pieces of garbage.

No, but they detract from the original hype, which was my whole point. From a modern POV, TOS and Star Wars look terrible and they do detract because the fakeness is so blatant. I mean, if you genuinely think Star Wars has a good story, that's great, but it's highly unusual to watch a movie with special effects solely for the story- imagine Inception or Avatar if the special effects were so outdated that the very concept of someone believing that ever looked convincingly real is mind-boggling.

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Isn't that a bit like reading "Dracula" and be surprised that it doesn't scare you? (I mean, of course it isn't going to scare us: we already know the Big Damn Plot Twist).

Honestly, you can't read Dracula like you read Stephen King and you can't watch The Original Series and expect to be absolutely blown away by special effects and go "wow, that looked so real!". Your own expectations end up ruining your fun.

A lot of things don't look as scandalous or epic today as they were when they first came out (see: "The marriage of Figaro" and "Carmen", greek tagedies...) but they can still be enjoyed today.

Moreover, it's probable our own children one day will watch, say, "The Lord of the Rings" and find the special effects lacking. It's a WIP.

Fair point. And while I love her performance in this, it boggles my mind that she has two Oscars and, like, Laura Linney and Gary Oldman and Glenn Close don't have any. I mean, come on.

but both her performances in this and, especially, MDB were amazing. Her not getting recognized would not help the other deserving people's case (unless one of them was nominated against her in one instance?)

I remember disliking this movie when I watched it, but I don't remember why I did. Maybe I thought it was hamhanded?
The biggest thing, I think, is that while it is a movie raising awareness about an important issue and thus good in a moral sense, I didn't think it was a good film. So if the latter was what the person you heard about it from was gushing about, then yea, I totes get why you'd find it "overrated"

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