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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-10-27 03:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #2125 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2125 ⌋

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[personal profile] velvet_mace 2012-10-27 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, he kind of was. He humiliated Rumplestilskin and told him that he'd kidnapped his wife. Rumple really had no reason not to believe him. He gave him a choice of fighting (which certainly meant being killed, because Rumple had no fighting skills) or losing his wife, whom, despite everything, he still loved. Meanwhile he had a child to protect and think of. That's basically emotional torture.

Wendy was pretty much of a dick, too. Abandoning her husband and child because she was bored with them. Running away and pretending that she was kidnapped rather than face her husband and child and simply own up that she was abandoning them, so they wouldn't feel it was their fault.

Now Rumple did become a villan himself and got revenge. But considering what those two put him through, it it felt pretty poetic.

(Anonymous) 2012-10-27 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Rumplestiltskin's wife wasn't Wendy, was she? Her name was Milah. But, yeah, agree with everything else.
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[personal profile] velvet_mace 2012-10-28 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Mihla! You are right. I have no idea where I got the name Wendy from.

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[identity profile] sensualcoco.livejournal.com 2012-10-28 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's kind of a matter of perspective. He was a jerk and an antagonist for Rumple. But to Milha he rescued her from a life she never wanted. I actually thought he was really sweet to her. Not that leaving her son without a word was the best way to handle that situation but I felt for her.
And considering the cruelty Rumplestiltskin showed when he met her again I was definitely rooting for Hook.
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[personal profile] velvet_mace 2012-10-28 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but that's the same reasoning people use when they say that cheating is okay. It's not sweet to help someone cheat on their husband and abandon their kids. It's selfish and fucked up.

You know, sometimes life just doesn't turn out as fun as you want it to be. When you are a parent you don't get to just run away to the bar and drink and have fun. Arranging for your new boyfriend to murder your husband because he's too scared to go off and get himself properly killed in the ogre war -- that's not anything I can give even the tiniest bit of sympathy to.

Rumple did become a villain -- once he was under the influence of magic that turned him into the dark lord. But even then, his motivations were pretty understandable. Even then he fought to save her, and then to revenge her "death". He tried to be the person she wanted him to be -- belatedly taking up that duel that Hook actually asked for. It was only when it became obvious that Hook was going to lose that Milha stepped forward and admitted her part in the betrayal. And even there he let her go. It wasn't until she prevented him from being able to go after his son that he snapped and killed her and took Hook's hand.

No. I have no sympathy for her. She was just bad. Hook wasn't quite as bad as she was, but he wasn't much better.
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[personal profile] light_shade 2012-10-28 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
+1 to all of the above. I was just having this debate with a much younger fandom friend (I'm in my 20s and she's in her late teens.) I dunno if it's a little bit of a maturity thing, but she was all jumping to Milah's defense for wanting to run off and have adventures and go play pirate wench with the pretty captain. She was all for, "But Hook was her true loooooove!" I was trying to explain to her that once you have kids, what you want goes out the window. It's all about them, because generally, kids are helpless and selfish little creatures even there are perks like when they love you back.

She made an absolutely terrible choice to abandon her child just because she was unhappy. Maybe I could be more sympathetic if she had told Rumple outright that she was leaving, giving him some closure, but to lie and leave him holding all the responsibilities that came with raising Bae made me feel like she was getting some karmic comeuppance when Rumple showing up again made all the lies come crashing back down on her.

Heck, now that I think about it, all of them were quite unsympathetic in this episode. By the end of it, I wasn't rooting for any of them.