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if being trans*women allows male-bodied persons access to women-only spaces, then male predators might well take advantage of the fact by claiming to be trans*women as an excuse to get access to those spaces. of course it's a small possibility but it could happen.

And a sexual predator couldn't walk into a female bathroom anyway? There's no magic barrier at the doorway. Disabled bathrooms are the most likely place for sexual assault, so we should make disabled people present medical documentation before using them?

The people most at risk from anti-trans bathroom policies are trans people forced to use the wrong bathroom and people (trans or not) being gender policed by people who think they're predators.

not saying they wouldn't go in there anyway. saying they'd use it as an excuse afterwards to seem like they had a right to be in there and shouldn't be denied access. which would help actual trans* people exactly zero percent.

Afterwards what? After they assault someone? As an excuse afterwards to whom?

"Oh, sorry officer, I just happened to be in this bathroom and accidentally raped someone?"

"Oh, that's fine then, off you go!"

I think they're a troll. You've been perfectly logical and it just goes over their head. Like you've said, bathrooms aren't guarded, they don't check you at them. Their argument makes no sense.

Yeah, I'd like to think that but this is an argument I hear all the time IRL. Thanks for the support, though.

DA.

I think anon means that, say, it was a bathroom that was not frequented by a lot of people. Say there were two people in it. A predator dressed as woman, and a born female. If a man walks into the woman's bathroom the woman would immediate be on guard, and either raise a fuss or leave. If they believe it's another woman, though, they will carry on business as usual. Bathroom stalls are narrow with only one exit.

There is also the matter of non-physical assault and crimes, such as taking pictures of women covertly or simply watching them. It doesn't seem trolly to me.

Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily trolly because it is an argument that transphobic politicians use with great success. But again, there's nothing to stop men (or predatory women) doing that right now, just as there's nothing to stop predators pulling women or children into changerooms or disabled toilets and assaulting them there, which is something that actually happens. What actually happens with the gendered bathroom rules is that non-gender-conforming people are verbally and physically assaulted for being in the "wrong" bathroom, regardless of their actual gender.

DA.

I can think of a solve:

1. Make most bathrooms in small venues single-stall and non-assigned. Outside door locks.

2. For large facilities with multiple stalls, do like some Asian bathrooms and have an open main door with lockable stalls. That way the woman/man, trans or otherwise, is secure and private when using the facilities, and when washing their hands or whatnot are in an open area where people can see and therefore are less likely to be attacked.

Yep, easy solutions, with no gender-policing required. The single-stall non-assigned bathrooms are great for disabled people and parents with opposite-gender children, too.

easy solutions for new construction maybe, but a LOT of places have different styled bathrooms already and maybe can't afford to replace them, or it would be immensely inconvenient to do so. not that you're wrong, but just saying it's not so easy.

Oh, I don't think everyone should be forced to rip up their bathrooms! But, just as if disabled access was enforced as it should be, every renovation should consider gender issues too.

Tbh the only gendered things in any public bathroom are the urinal and the sanitary bags. Putting up a "use a stall" sign printed on A4 paper should not be too difficult, and neither should stocking sanitary bags in all stalls. Then remove the lil letter/icon on the doors, gender neutral bathroom for all. Huzzah.

yes, this is what I was trying to get at basically, that it would allow this kind of thing to happen more easily, because the predator could say that he was a trans*woman and would have to be let to use the women's room (and could do this in various places over and over.) I don't actually blame someone for thinking I was a troll, though. It's something that is pretty easy to misconstrue, delicate topic as it is.

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