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[Madonna "Die Another Day" MV, BEG "Sixth Sense" MV]

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I agree. I actually keep wanting to post a secret about how annoying it is that so many shows have this idea that you're automatically homophobic and racist if you're Republican, which is often expressed by a gay character being shocked to find out another gay character is Republican.

It's just- when did people come to associate Democrats with open-mindedness and Republicans with close-mindedness? It's not like people go, oh, I'm a raging homophobe, therefore I must be a Republican.

...and I don't actually associate with either party: I just grew up in a Republican household with people of pretty average tolerance for minorities and those of different sexualities.

Well, when -- as in my state -- the Republicans are pushing the "define marriage as one man, one woman" constitutional amendment, it's hard to see the party as anything but homophobic.

I live in Australia and the ALP, which is supposed to be relatively left-wing, has practically the same policies about gay marriage and asylum seekers as the more right-wing Coalition - i.e. "marriage is between a man and a woman". And AFAIK the actual party members were pretty narrowly divided between for and against gay marriage. So idk, just because the party's officially/publicly endorsing a particular policy doesn't mean a) the politicians themselves or b) the voters support it. Hell, the ALP's got Penny Wong, and she had a baby with her partner sometime... last year, I think?

tl;dr "I support a party that doesn't like gay marriage" =/= "I hate gay people". Necessarily.

Idk what American politics/policies are like though, so that could be comparing apples to oranges.

I am a lesbian who grew up in Louisiana, which is pretty Republican. Most people are pretty close-minded about gays there... not saying that people don't like watching Tim Gunn or Ellen or whomever, but they would never dream of allowing gay marriage, and gay teachers have a pretty decent shot at getting fired if their sexuality is exposed. (Because all gays have an agenda to corrupt children to the lifestyle).

It's just- when did people come to associate Democrats with open-mindedness and Republicans with close-mindedness? It's not like people go, oh, I'm a raging homophobe, therefore I must be a Republican.

The Republican Party chose to put this in their platform this year:We reaffirm our support for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. In other words, for the first time ever, they want to amend the CONSTITUTION TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST LGBT PEOPLE's right to love and marry whom they choose. They chose Tony Perkins, leader of a designated "hate group" to help them draft this portion of their platform.

The Democrats chose to SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE in their platform, and Barack Obama has evolved into a champion for gay rights.

I'm sorry, but as a gay person, it's kind of like I've got Darth Vader on the one side, and Yoda on the other. It's not rocket science.

If I were to meet a gay conservative -- or anyone from the Log Cabin Republicans (gay conservative) group that is endorsing Romney -- I don't even know if I could talk to them. I would probably just walk away. That would be like a black person voting for David Duke. (Romney is extremely anti-gay, he physically assaulted a gay classmate in high school, did everything he possibly could to harass his gay constituents when he was governor of Massachusetts, like denying proper birth and death certificates to same-sex (married!) couples, etc.) He says it's "up to the states" if they want to allow same-sex partners to visit each other in the hospitals, whereas Obama mandated that all hospitals must allow it.*

*yes, hospitals in "red" states have kept partners away from their dying partners. That is sick.

You're laying it on a little overly thick. Hospitals in blue states have also done the same thing. Also I think you're thinking of GOProud the gay conservative group that formed because Log Cabin are to liberal, and actually focus on gay issues. Log Cabin has endorsed no candidate.

Although I do agree that it's easy to see why people assume Republicans and conservatives are more likely to be homophobic. It is a part of the Republican platform to constitutionally ban gay marriage, and they have lead the vast majority of campaigns against gay rights.

Yeah, some blue states are pretty homophobic too, unfortunately. That is why it's really important for states to include orientation in their anti-discrimination laws, so LGBT people have some legal recourse.

Oh ho, nay my friend, check out LCR's own site:

http://www.logcabin.org/site/c.nsKSL7PMLpF/b.8384403/k.6C03/Romney_for_President.htm
If LGBT issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice. (Their own words)

You can see why gay Republicans earn scorn from other gays, when even a "liberal" Republican gay group is willing to endorse those who openly abuse us, like Mitt Romney (documented abuse).

I am not "assuming" anything. Here are stats from a respected polling group about support for same-sex marriage, via party affiliation of voters.

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/08/20/political-affiliation-and-support-of-same-sex-marriage/

If LGBT issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice.

But that's the exact point of all politics- are you willing to put one issue aside for another? Are gay rights (it's laughable that they put LGBT because politics really only ever means L and G) more important to you than everything else a party stands for or would you rather have a failing economy and a continuing war while being married to your same sex spouse? For some, marriage isn't the highest concern right now.

I actually find it a bit disturbing that one issue is enough to completely sway you to one side or the other with no regard to the rest of the party platform.

Really? Do you find it disturbing that I also wouldn't vote for an ex KKK member even if he had a stellar economic policy? How clueless can one person get?

As a gay woman, the Republican party and Mitt Romney have both spoken in favor of opposing my equal rights, reducing my existing rights, and allowing my (fairly backward) state to strip me of even further rights. You really think it's disturbing if that one issue is enough to decide for me? Really? Yeah, "wants to treat me as a basic human being" is one of my requirements for getting my vote. On what world is that remotely a problem, or remotely "disturbing"?

Oh, I'm pretty well-informed. I disagree with the majority of the Republican platform, and agree with the majority of the Democratic platform.

And note that the marriage (or lack thereof) affects LGBT people families BIG TIME. It IS an economic issue for us. You can claim tax deductions, receive health benefits, properly leave your estate to your family, etc. if you are legally married. If you aren't, you could be majorly affected.

As a woman, politics affect me economically too. Under Obamacare's rules, insurance companies can't charge me up to 86% more for my gender. They have to provide reproductive parity to me -- helluva important, watch Sandra Fluke's testimony about her friend (attending Georgetown Law, got an ovarian cyst, the Jesuit university wouldn't cover her expensive prescribed birth control, she lost the ovary and went into early menopause). Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act, which makes it easier for me to sue an employer if I have documented proof that I was not "receiving equal pay for equal work."

I don't blame the failing economy on Obama. I blame it on Bush's expensive wars combined with his tax cuts for the wealthiest. I also think the Republicans -- contrary to conservative ideals of "individual rights" -- have become obsessed with controlling women's bodies, even stating that a woman must bear her rapist's baby, and are obsessed with deciding who cannot marry. They passed hundreds of laws last year about women's bodies, when they could have been focusing on the economy (hint: the economy is not hidden in my uterus).

Are you legally able to get married yourself?

To myself? No. Nor do I plan to ever get married.

I'm so glad your biggest issue with insurance is that you're female.

wtf? was that meant to be insulting or condescending or imply they have no real health problems? im disabled with a preexisting condition that fucks me totally with regard to insurance, but guess what? being female is still my biggest issue, because the thought of not being able to receive an abortion or get free morning after pill if i'm raped is literally the scariest thing ever to me. what the fuck is your problem anyway?

No, that's "I have a pre-existing condition that means I cannot function in society without medication" and I look at that as far more pressing than anything involved with being a female. I'm not one of those people who live in constant fear of rape, and abortion is legal in my state. If it wasn't, I'd just go across the border into a state that does.

Vote for Obama, then. ObamaCare will by 2014 have provisions that you can't be denied for pre-existing conditions.

would you rather have a failing economy and a continuing war while being married to your same sex spouse?

How about this: a recovering economy, a president who pulled us out of Iraq and is committed to getting us out of Afghanistan, or a president who just can't wait to attack Iran -- a country he apparently knows so little about, he doesn't realize it doesn't border Syria, and is unaware of its access to the Persian Gulf? A president who has strong approval ratings worldwide (important in a global economy), or a president who managed to insult one of our closest allies (Britain)?

Basically, I think I can have it all!!

Actually, supporters of ENDA (mostly all Dems), derailed the bill intentionally because it didn't provide proper support for Transgender people. And VP Biden just said he thinks transgender rights are the next big civil rights struggle.

Hmm, don't think Paul Ryan has said anything like that...

Considering both sides would continue the war and I believe the current failing economy is largely do to the cyclical nature of economic and what both sides propose won't help that much overall, forgive me if social issues take a larger level importance for me.

Okay, Louisiana is a terrible example. You realize that, right? It was just as homophobic when it was Democrat as it is now that it's Republican. The party didn't make it change.

You're confusing "overwhelming support for eveything a party does and whoever they pick in any given election" with "shares more ideology with this group than that". American politics is basically two parties with mild variation. Some people lean one way, some the other.

Saying a member of a party automatically supports its candidate for presidency is about as intelligent an assumption as saying that someone who's American automatically supports the current president. It's a representative democracy: you're stuck with the guy you get but that doesn't mean you have to have voted for him.

For some people, certain issues can be put on the backburner while far more pressing issues, like the $16 trillion deficit and foreign relations, are dealt with. If gay rights is the most pressing concern in your life, then vote Democrat, but don't assume that it makes a gay person terrible to want to be part of a party that they're working to change.

Hospitals will keep people from visiting certain patients if they're not legally related. The issue there is that same sex marriage isn't recognized in that state and therefore there is no legal connection, violating hospital policy. It's not like nurses are going, "fuck you, fags" and barring entry.

God don't I know? I'm so glad I live in Washington State now. But the Republican Party has REWARDED Louisiana State for its vile behavior (not saying Reps. caused the behavior per se). Who was chosen (an honor) to give the usual rebuttal to Obama's very first State of the Union? LA Governor Bobby Jindal. What did Jindal do when the previous governor's "anti-discrimination law against LGBT" was up for renewal? Let it expire. Who did Jindal appoint to head the LA "Family Marriage Group"? Tony Perkins, leader of a designated "hate group" (they call gays pedophiles and AIDS-spreaders). http://www.bilerico.com/2009/01/jindals_latest_attack_on_louisianas_fami.php

Who did the GOP ask help to write their platform this year? TONY PERKINS. He is vile, and I know him very well (we lived in the same parish), I've read his filthy garbage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Langbehn I don't know, tell me this isn't a "fuck you, fags" story, courtesy of Florida.

Romney is actually pretty OK with stories like that, though. It's all about "states rights" and not human rights.
http://www.oneiowa.org/news-events/2romney-may-end-hospital-visitation-rights-many-gay-couples

"Saying a member of a party automatically supports its candidate for presidency is about as intelligent an assumption as saying that someone who's American automatically supports the current president."

Typically, if political affiliation comes up, people will say if they're at logger-heads with their party's nominee or direction.

In the case of the Log Cabin Rep., they officially supported Romney, so I have issues with them.

Your analogy about "American automatically supports the current president" doesn't quite work, because the president only requires 270 electoral votes (so he can even lose the popular vote and still win, so obviously all Americans don't support the president.)

I'm not sure that it's just a regional thing, anymore. I mean, the old idea that "a Southern Democrat is basically Republican Lite" is still apparently in play (i.e., regional values trump supposed national party values the majority of the time), but in my state (New York) there are a lot of people who identify as Republican and voted Republican in the 80s and 90s who feel like their party has betrayed them and gone utterly buttfuck insane in the effort to win over the extremes. Among them my family.

Some people have just gone FUCK THIS and left the Republican Party to go Independent or even Democrat. My father did this. My mother hasn't, but she's extremely frustrated that conservative has come to mean "HELLO THERE I HATE GAYS AND PUPPIES AND I LOVE LOVE LOVE UNREGULATED CORPORATE BULLSHIT".

And before anyone goes "dude, Conservatism is about unregulated everything"—no man, that's Libertarianism. My sister's one. Though, uh, I would rather point at Penn and Teller as better examples than an Ayn Rand worshipping douchebucket, but the parents hope it is a Phase She's Going Through.

Meanwhile, I am the household FLAMING SOCIALIST LIBERAL SCUMBAG. Because I am poor and I have Teh Gay.

tl;dr American politics are a mess even on a small family scale. Also, someone needs to post GIFs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNF7IhXqVdA&feature=plcp Now here's the type of Republican I will and do vote for (30 second ad for Washington United for Marriage). With flaming pride,I vote!

I used to vote Republican, but now I consider myself unaffiliated (actually, all voters in WA state are such). I do notice trends, however, and the Republican party has unfortunately moved from its center to embrace extreme elements. In reaction, the Democratic party is probably becoming more aggressive, too... leading to bipartisan gridlock as moderates on both sides become vulnerable to losing elections.

To be fair, the meaning of "republican" and "democrat" have also changed. Democrats used to be waaaaaaaay more conservative.

Except some gay people aren't even trying to change their party. Then that leads to the question of which political group has done everything it can to prevent same-sex couple from having legal connection. Also I have to say it, but some times nurses have done basically that.

This.

If you're fiscally conservative but also in favor of marriage equality, being Republican is probably not the way to go. Other Republicans, at least some of the ones I know, will look at you funny when you start talking about marriage equality as though it is obviously a thing that needs to happen.

which is why I'm a libertarian *shrug*

This. I don't think it's solely the shows though - it's all over my LJ and Facebook page, too. My friends are unknowingly accusing my family members and other friends of being racist homophobes for their political views.

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