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Jus sanguini refers to the fact that one can only become a Japanese citizen at birth through parentage, not through location of birth. Contrast with the United States (jus soli), in which one can become a citizen at birth simply by being born on U.S. territory.

To become a Japanese citizen after birth, one must have maintained "continuous residence in Japan for five years or more; [be] at least 21 years old and otherwise legally competent; [have a] history of good behavior generally, and no past history of seditious behavior; [have] sufficient capital or skills, either personally or within family, to support oneself; [be] stateless or willing to renounce foreign citizenship." One also needs to demonstrate a working fluency of Japanese. (I just ripped that shamelessly from Wikipedia.)

Actually, the US is a combination of jus sanguini and jus soli. You can become an American citizen at birth even if you're born outside of the US, provided certain circumstances are met [what those circumstances are varies depending on what the citizenship status of the parents are, with at least one being a us citizen.]

Wow. That...is interesting. And it seems kinda elitist to me but then maybe it's not, I'm not really familiar with the workings of these things...I guess the part that seems the most elitist is that you have to be willing to give up other citizenship for it.

Not particularly? You only have to do that if you become a naturalized citizen for that, and a lot of countries [including the US] have it so that if you become a naturalized citizen of another country you automatically forfeit your prior citizenship in that country. So, in a lot of cases, it's a termination of the former citizenship on both ends.

It also makes sense, since one of the biggest things countries that allow dual citizenship don't like about DC is the fact that it can, and in the past has, lead to some pretty serious conflicts of interest in terms of loyalty and the fact that the person with the DC is subject to the laws of both countries. So, by effectively making DC impossible, they completely side step the issues that come with that. [There are benefits to DC, which is why so many countries allow it, and the issues aren't that common, but they can still cause enough headaches that governments tend to not endorse them/encourage choosing citizenship in one country or the other.]

Japan is elitest in a lot of ways, but this isn't really one of them.

You don't have to forfeit your US citizenship when you become a naturalised citizen of another country. My mother was born in the US and now lives in New Zealand. She has dual citizenship. I was born in New Zealand to her and a New Zealand father and haven't ever lived in the US (just visited). I also have dual citizenship. Apparently Americans sometimes told people they had to forfeit their citizenship when they really didn't have to.

Dual citizenship and being a naturalized citizen aren't the same thing.

Yeah, they have different meanings, but my mother became a naturalised citizen of NZ and was still a US citizen meaning she has dual citizenship.

Wikipedia has a some information on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Loss_of_citizenship

How does this make sense considering what you said previously?

when they find out Japan is a jus sanguinis state and they can never, ever be Japanese.

To become a Japanese citizen after birth [...]

So they can actually "be Japanese". Whether a country is "jus sanguini" or "jus soli" is completely not relevant in that discussion because as they have already been born, both rules don't apply...