[ SECRET POST #2137 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2137 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely agree that someone can support Palestinians without hating on Jews, but I wonder why the OP thinks living in a country with very few Jews means they can't possibly hate on them? It happens all the time. If anything it can make it worse.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe their reasoning is that if they can't actively hate on them/be awful to them in person, it doesn't count? Which... makes no sense. Lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Just a passing anon, can't speak for them, but I might be able to address this.

Think about how racism plays out in the US. There's historical and contemporary bigotry aimed at African Americans, Mexicans, immigrants in general, etc. But you probably don't know any negative stereotypes about Uruguayans or Acerbaijanis. I'd assume you don't have any personal complaints about them or their country, because there is no social rub. If you read about one of these countries being in a land dispute or a conflict, you wouldn't have any reason not to look at it as objectively and fairly as you could. That's what I think the OP was trying to say: they don't have anything against the Jews or the Palestinians, they're just trying to weigh the facts as a person with a conscience. And they don't like the way fellow fen equate supporting Palestine with having a nefarious grudge against the Jews.

[(Anonymous)]

...What? That's not what they're talking about in this comment - they're discussing the fact that the OP seems to think that not having many of any given group means that they can't be racist towards said group because ~I don't know any~ or ~I've never heard about them so I can't possibly be racist~!

Also, American here and I actually have heard stereotypes about Uruguayans, and Azerbaijanis would generally fall into Middle Eastern stereotypes as a whole - and, if you aren't talking about specifically the Republic of Azerbaijanis, Iranian stereotypes. The fact that one is in the middle east would, sadly, count against it. [Though this was a little bit of an odd example considering they're half a world away from each other and, as far as I know, have no territory anywhere near the other.]

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt

But the OP didn't say it was impossible for people from their country to be racist against Jews. They said that they don't have any particular exposure to negative sentiment about Jews. And several commenters jumped all over that part of the secret, because in their minds, that's exactly like an American arguing that they aren't racist because they don't know any black people. It isn't. Your country develops a shared mental environment about the other countries and different peoples it considers "us" or "not-us" or even "kinda-sorta-part-of-the-family-but-we-take-no-responsibility-for-that." And as you live there, you pick up on it. But there are a ton of stereotypes and things you've never heard of and know nothing about unless you live in other countries, because they just don't intersect with your country in such a way that they'd be talked about. This can be hard to believe unless you use concrete examples of "this country: what is your ethnic stereotype of people from there?" I didn't pick the two that I picked because they were neighbors or likely to fight. I used them because I didn't want someone to write it off as "feh, two more republics in South America" or "oh, all those eastern european countries I can never keep track of." I wanted to call attention to the fact that, all over the world, you have countries that even educated Americans are minimally aware of, to the point that they have no feelings about them. And to the fact that, yes, it's entirely possible for people in (some) other countries to have that kind of blank slate about the Jews.

Azerbaijan, by the way, is located at the intersection between Europe and Asia. It used to be part of the Soviet Union, and I've never heard it classified as part of the Middle East. I'm not about to give you a hard time, though. It's kind of absurd when Americans browbeat each other for ignorance, because there's so much we were never taught; so much we end up teaching ourselves after leaving school. That's an ongoing process. And anyway, I may have misspelled it last night. *facepalm* I was tired.

[(Anonymous)]

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I like you, anon. This was very well explained.