[ SECRET POST #2137 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2137 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[truxillogical]

I work at a library, and the only thing that makes me feel worse than checking this out to people is checking out blatant slandery rightwing books (did you know that the Crusades were a defensive war and that all American Muslims are in on a conspiracy? Read The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam and you will!).

And every time someone tells me or their friend that they're romantic or hot or that they just love them, I really want to look them in the eye and ask what is wrong with them. Lay it out as literal rape. And ask why they think that's desirable.

People read anything that becomes popular, and never really objectively think about if it's good or not.

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, if the books get people out of their sex is dirty and wrong and all smut is bad mindset, that's a good thing. But on the other, I just want to take people who love the books and don't seem to realize how over the top creeptastic Grey is or how badly written they are and sit them down and be like, "Let me introduce you to erotica and online fanfiction that is actually written WELL and doesn't have a stalker for a protagonist or super sketch portrayals of 'BDSM'."

And really, the sex scenes in those books are SO BORING. Like, it's not even an issue of blatantly bad writing and dubious premises, but hot sex scenes.

[truxillogical]

Oh, the books won't do that. I promise you, people check out plenty of smut. Our romance section is our second biggest fiction section (first being mystery), and it moves like mad. Little old ladies and soccer moms love them some sexy books, and hey, that's fine. But there's this weird disconnect, I think. The books aren't porn, you see, because they're just words and all. But I get the feeling that if I took a comic with a sex scene and showed them that, they'd be tut-tutting.

I really don't get the general public mindset towards romance books. It's weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've always found the disconnect there to be pretty annoying. Especially since it sort of perpetuates the social myth (at least in North America--I don't want to speak for the rest of the world, here) that just because it's more socially acceptable for men to acknowledge watching porn, that means that men are "naturally" more drawn to visuals, whereas women are more drawn to the written word. There's a bit more to it than that, like the fact that a lot of mainstream porn caters specifically to heterosexual men and that if a woman talks about reading erotica it's okay, but omg if you bring any sort of picture into it it's dirty and filthy and unfeminine and you are such a perv!!!1 Urgh.

[teenybuffalo]

did you know that the Crusades were a defensive war and that all American Muslims are in on a conspiracy?

"It was self-defense, your Honor! He head-butted me in the sword! He head-butted me in the sword TEN TIMES!" --Godfrey of Bouillon.

[liveoddly]

I cracked up.

[liveoddly]

I think the issue is that the rape and abuse is so phrased (because she always enjoys it because he's hawt) that it does sound like something desirable and something loving. If you're reading it without thinking about it, I suspect it would be very easy to find them romantic or hot, if all you're taking in is the surface perspective. Which says in so many words that it's romantic and hot. Like... it's disgusting, but if you read it mindlessly, I can see why it would appeal? idk. Making excuses for people now.

[stainless]

And every time someone tells me or their friend that they're romantic or hot or that they just love them, I really want to look them in the eye and ask what is wrong with them.

You know, I don't like these books... but as someone who finds well-written dubcon (or even well-written fantasy noncon) hot, I'm really uncomfortable with "ask what is wrong with them."

Lay it out as literal rape. And ask why they think that's desirable.

People with those kinks don't think rape is desirable. (Well, I'm sure some do. But saying most people are like that? Is very ignorant, and quite insulting.)

I don't think 50 Shades is any kind of good writing, or even sexy. But as someone who has some fantasies that are probably similar to what fuels people's interest in 50, I'm getting really sick of "we have a cultural crisis on our hands; some people like fantasizing about dubious consent!"

It ain't new, and it ain't goin' away.