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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-08 05:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #2137 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2137 ⌋

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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-11-09 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
How the world treats people who are conventionally attractive and unattarctive will not change by OP's perspective of beauty being changed.

And it's a silly thing to ask of anybody. You'll like what you like.

You can argue we like what we like because of what we were raised to consider attractive, but that doesn't change what we like. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-09 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
So? The OP can still be a better friend by leaving her hangups over physical beauty behind. It won't change the world, but it'll change her for the better. Maybe she'll even become brave enough to speak up against the discrimination that lets her get ahead while her "ugly" friends are left behind.

You'll like what you like.
And with that, you'll dislike what you dislike. Folks are often (wittingly or unwittingly) nasty to the things they dislike. Don't change what you already like -- learn to like new things and accept them, not pity them or wish that they could be changed. (And before you get all sniffy and say, "Don't you dare tell me what to do I'm an independent person and I LIKE WHAT I LIKE," that was a general "you.")

I'm not supportive of our current constructs of beauty, because their roots -- while running too deep for us to dig up in one generation -- are based in petty soil: what passes for "attractive" in contemporary society (dependent on our race, our country, our income, etc.), and our primitive instincts to seek out healthy mates.

How can a reasonable person respect that to the extent that we should protect what we "like" and stay entrenched in negative attitudes toward deformity, non-conventional beauty, and other deviations from the physical norm? I just don't get it.

Anyway, for the record I'm deformed. Can you come up with a response that doesn't leave me feeling like I should throw myself into a garbage can?

(Anonymous) 2012-11-09 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: your last sentence. How about you don't accept that your looks are supposedly the be-all and end-all of what makes you valuable as a person?

(Anonymous) 2012-11-09 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I would, but other people don't think the same way!
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-11-09 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Not my job. You threw that out there either to look for some sort of back pedal from me or some sort of validation? Or best case scinario, to make it clear this is a personal issue. None of which was necessary.

It sucks. Wish the world sucked less *shrug*.

Beyond that... You already said it. Some of this is based on instinct, and you aren't getting rid of that. It's there for a reason. That's not petty soil, that's deep entrenched rich fertile ground and it's gonna keep letting things spring anew.

OP has already stated they intend to use the advantages they have. What's wrong with that? That's exactly what you do with advantages. W Which means she's not going to speak up about it. You can't get ahead and complain about getting ahead at the same time. Is she perpetuating the system? In a sort of "by omission" way, sure, I guess, in the sense that she's not actively fighting it. And at least she appreciates that she has this advantage others don't, rather then assuming that they are inferior in some other way like being "lazy". Still, it's not fair, no.

And guess what? Neither is life. And if you need me to keep you from throwing yourself in a garbage can over that, well you are in fucking trouble.

I think you can make it. But, you'll need to try harder then most. Hope you are up for it. Because again, it's not fair. But that's how it is, so you need to look at the world as well as how you want it to be. That doesn't mean you can't be a voice for change. But you shouldn't expect it.

And just because everybody else doesn't take it as personally as you have to doesn't make them bad people. Think like that and you'll end up pretty fucking bitter.

Instead, deal.
Edited 2012-11-09 18:58 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2012-11-09 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
wow

just when I thought you couldn't sink to any further depths of douchery....

You're probably not going to read this, there being a new post, but...

(Anonymous) 2012-11-09 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I've already dealt with it, kiddo. I've had over fifteen involuntary plastic surgeries, and I've likely been in more pain than you'll fortunately ever know in your entire life. Finally, being on a good academic track, I can say that I'm going to make it. I can make it on my own, you know -- just not when people such as yourself and the OP are falling over yourselves trying to excuse your personal prejudices as part-and-parcel of human nature and the unfair world at large. I meet people like you too frequently, and you'd more often tear people down rather than help them up.

If, God forbid, you were horribly burned or otherwise disfigured, would you still appreciate being told, "Deal with the unfairness of the world yourself! Otherwise you'll end up bitter. It's not my job to validate your existence"? It can happen any day, to anyone. It'd be best to develop a sense of compassion for others, lest you find yourself needing it.
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Re: You're probably not going to read this, there being a new post, but...

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-11-10 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent. You came a long way from the garbage throwing you of a few hours ago.

It's more the latter then the former. I don't want to tear you down. But I'm not going out of my way to offer assistance. That somehow makes me just as bad as the other guy? Meh.

But ultimately, rest assured if I ever end up horribly burned or otherwise disfigured, I will not attempt use it in an argument for sympathy then turn around and be all "Oh I'm strong" when that tactic fails.