[ SECRET POST #2138 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2138 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cabin in the Woods]


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02.
[Hanna Is Not A Boy's Name]


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03.
[Vampire Diaries]


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06.
[009 RE:CYBORG]


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07. [SPOILERS for Elementary]



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08. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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09. [SPOILERS for Journey Into Mystery 2011/Young Avengers 2012]



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10. [SPOILERS for Skyfall]



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11. [WARNING for abuse]

[Chris Brown / Jaejoong (JYJ)]


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12. [WARNING for incest]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]

[Edna and Harvey: Harvey's New Eyes]


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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fenm]

by seeing through his disguise

She was sent pictures of him mere hours before they met. She would have had to been stupid to NOT recognize him.

following him home

I'm pretty sure his address is on his Web Site. Again, she would have been stupid not to figure it out if she put any effort into looking.

So, neither of these things required any unusual intelligence on her part.

[sarnath]

No? I just made a comparison, I said nothing about intelligence. In Sherlock that part of her personality is showcased through her ability to know how to keep Sherlock off track, make him unable to read her, her interest in the way he solves his cases, and possibly how she made him help her at the very end. Also, I think, the way she handles her rather complicated life in general, up until the events of Scandal.

It's not as if following him in the original required unusual intelligence either! And she didn't suspect a thing until she realised she'd betrayed where she'd hid the photograph. Original Irene Adler had also been warned about him, even if it had been some months earlier.

[fenm]

Okay. A lot of people use those things to say "OMG, BBC!Irene is so smart!" when, again, those things didn't really require that much intelligence.

[sarnath]

It's funny, because I've been reading a wank in a completely different fandom today, and thinking "yeah, I agree that X was a stupid thing to do (by the writers of the canon), but you're using all the wrong arguments".

[fenm]

Heh... indeed.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't thing BBCSherlock's Irene was canon at all. Recall how, in the story, Irene outwits Holmes and runs off to America (or wherever) with her true love. However, in BBC, Irene falls in love with Sherlock (????) and loses to him and in the end she begs for mercy and needs him to come save her. Funny how a story written over a hundred years ago has a stronger female character than a TV show written today.

[fenm]

I really don't thing BBCSherlock's Irene was canon at all.

Honestly, one of the (many many) questions I'd love to ask the makers of Sherlock is "So, are you going to have Irene Adler in your series?" Cuz that woman? Was NOT Irene Adler. Hell, I don't even LIKE canon!Adler all that much, I still feel like the series did her a disservice...

da

[(Anonymous)]

Thirding all of this. I had hopes for the series being a modern adaptation that was as faithful as Granada's, but after the hot mess that was their answer to SCAN, and how they basically defecated all over the one scene they twisted from The Devil's Foot, nope, not watching that anymore. Life is too short and I've got better things to do.

Re: da

[fenm]

how they basically defecated all over the one scene they twisted from The Devil's Foot,

Oh, do you mean from "Hounds"? I'd never thought of that, but you're right! May I ask which aspect of the story was what you'd refer to as "defecating all over it"?

[sarnath]

In the original she falls for the king, causing all her problems. Her feelings for Godfrey is what saves her in the end.

In Sherlock, she falls for Sherlock, which causes all her problems (well, it's the reason she fails, after all). Sherlock's feelings is actually what saves her in the end, interestingly, though I think the implication is that her feelings is one of the things that effected them.

In the original she outwits Sherlock Holmes once, and runs away to live a normal life with her new husband.

In Sherlock she outwits Sherlock four (or five?) times. The difference is it's in the opposite order; she tricks him first and falls later, while in the original she falls first (she's in deep trouble at the beginning of the story, not the end), and the tricking comes later.

In the original she leaves her old life as an "adventuress" to become a normal married woman. In Sherlock she plays a very high risk game, and loses (and yeah, Sherlock rubs her nose in it, but he's been thoroughly humiliated by her, and it's exactly what I'd expect of him. He's not a nice man).

She actually affected him enough that he saves her life in the end, though. After all his talk about what love does!

I think she was a very strong character, actually. Had she wanted what original Irene did - run away to lead a quiet life - she could have. But she wanted the risky life she had. She enjoyed the game! She was even prepared to die without regrets at the end, collected and calm. Her final gambit paid off, and she got to live, (and I thought her satisfied smile at the end spoke of a continued adventurous existence).

A female character who's unashamed of who she is, who leads the life she does without regrets or ~angst~ about the things she doesn't have is vanishingly rare. Her self-assurance and self-confidence, the way she talks to Sherlock as an equal (or sometimes, superior), the way she plays Mycroft, the more intelligent brother, are all great things to see.

Also I love that she was openly lesbian. (Yeah, Sherlock may have been an exception, or she might have been closer to bisexual, who knows, but I'm fine with either of those things.)

I like original Irene Adler fine, but she basically gets away because they find out that she isn't in love with the king any more, but with her new husband. That's the reason the king stops trying to catch her.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything that you've said does not negate the fact that Irene Adler was the ONE person in the entirety of the ACD Canon who got away with what they were doing. Every other criminal was caught by Sherlock Holmes. Irene Adler was the only one who could do it. Now look at BBC Sherlock. Irene Adler ends the episode by begging for mercy and needing to be saved by Sherlock. This is not the same.

[sarnath]

Original Irene got away because Holmes stopped hunting her. It's really that simple. It wasn't because of some special ability of hers.

She was also actually one of four people who beat him (the other three were men) according to Holmes himself.

Does saying "please" and needing a rescue negate all the other things she does and is? Sherlock made her say "please", sure. But she was the one who induced him to come to her rescue after that. It could be said that she won in the end; she got away, and made Sherlock help her do it.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought she was a very strong character, too... possibly my favourite in the series.

I also think her 'falling' for Sherlock is just the same as him 'falling' for her - the attraction is not especially physical, far more the connection of two intellectual equals.

[sarnath]

I really liked the mutual attraction (no matter the nature) between them. It was a meeting of similar minds, in a way, and yeah, not primarily physical in any case.

As a Sherlock/John shipper, I also really liked what it said about both Sherlock's ability to actually become interested in someone and John's reactions to it. The scene between Irene and John was very powerful, I thought (and nearly confirmed that John is in love with Sherlock, which was awesome for shippers, heh).

I think it was made clear that Irene became special to Sherlock. Not the same way John is special to him (disregarding my personal fanon here, they still have a very strong platonic connection in canon), but as with John, she's someone who had an effect on his development as a person.

Irene lives like Sherlock; she does what she wants when she wants it and enjoys it. I love characters like that, and female characters are so rarely allowed to be this.