[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

IA, mostly, although I think the exact manner of public execution like that she had some role in -- and of course that was mostly Joffrey taking advantage of that. Ned was going to end up dead one way or another, but Sansa was the one who pushed for Ned to publicly "renounce" his "treason." Regardless of intention, she had a role in it playing out in that way.

[(Anonymous)]

Ned was also told that his daughters would be killed if he didn't go along.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't change what Sansa also did. Look, I'm the one that said above that the beauty of ASOIF is that everyone becomes morally culpable for something. Ned and Catelyn are mostly responsible for what happens to Ned, and of course Joffrey pulls the trigger so to speak so ultimately it comes down to him, and Cersei and Littlefinger are all more responsible than Ned and Catelyn are, but Sansa plays her own unknowing role in it.

It's twisted and awesome and so fucking sad. Enjoy it.

[(Anonymous)]

Ned's daughters wouldn't have been in danger if Sansa didn't run off to Cersei and become her hostage.

[(Anonymous)]

The plot. You're misremembering it.

If we're going to argue, let's do it on factual terms.

[(Anonymous)]

How am I misremembering anything? The girls were supposed to leave on a ship the same day the whole mess happened, but when Ned refused to let Sansa say goodbye to Joffrey, she snuck away from Septa Mordane with the intent to go to Robert (who was already dead), but went to Cersei instead. After that, Ser Arys took her to a room where she and Jeyne were held up for three whole days. Sansa was held as a hostage and the threat of both her and Ned's death was used to make them do whatever the small council wanted.

Of course, there's still no guarantee that the ship would have escaped with the girls if Sansa didn't go to Cersei and they would have been hostages regardless, if that's what you're implying. Either way, you might want to reread Ned's chapter 14 and Sansa's chapter 4, as well as this quote from GRRM, http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1017.

[(Anonymous)]

Ned also didn't explain to her why they were leaving, and why her marrying her fairy tale prince was never going to happen anyway. Perhaps if he had been less noble about it, she wouldn't have to Cersei, not suspecting that she was after Ned's blood.

[(Anonymous)]

It would have also helped if she'd been willing to be observant of things around her, instead of making assumptions based on fairy tale-type stories...and still stubbornly clinging to fairy tale messages despite all the real world evidence to the contrary she was exposed to. (e.g. wtf, why is he sending that old and ugly knight to go take care of business? obviously it should be the ~pretty~ and noble-looking knight to get to go!)