[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

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Comments

[ill_omened]

Not necessarily.

I mean it certainly can be, but it isn't by virtue of them not being part of the oppressed group.

The rightness of ones argument, or the wrongness of ones acts isn't dependent on you happening to fall into a group or not - that just makes it more likely to be the case, that you'll miss obvious flaws or forms of discrimination or fail to see related issues.

And I've seen it happen plenty of times. I'll fully admit I've got the three biggest privileges (class, race, sex) - but in those areas I don't, I've seen people of the same group as me spewing some really stupid ideas, and then screaming someone down on the basis of them not being part of the group. It's part of the whole reductive identity politics, and utter subjectivity of experience that so dominates a lot of activist spheres that I find to be a serious issue, and it drives me away from them. Analytic over continental 4 lyfe.

I'll bring up another example. More women are pro life, and rape apologists then men. And by a statistically significant margin. Would it follow then that a pro-choice man telling a woman she was wrong for being pro-life is problematic? It certainly doesn't seem that would be the case. But surely that is what follows from your argument right?

[(Anonymous)]

Can't you see how completely patronizing and offensive it is to the oppressed party to be further oppressed by an outside party telling them their wrong about something they have to live with daily?

Just because you think you're on the side of all that is good and holy does not mean you have the right try to "put me in my place" - because that's exactly what you're advocating - putting minorities in their place least they behave badly.

[(Anonymous)]

You're silly!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I know.

I mean, wanting to be treated like an adult instead of a poor, ignorant minority who needs a white guy to tell me how to think and behave properly? How silly can I get?

[(Anonymous)]

You can get silly enough to talk to the white guy, that's what.

[(Anonymous)]

The white guy isn't deserving of our time if that's how he's going to behave.