[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

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Comments

[ill_omened]

Ah yes, the perennial I choose my choice therefore it's empowering.

The complete retreat into subjectivity and freedom from any value judgement, by anyone not you.

Well no man is an island, and if another non-straight man thinks it's okay to tell all his straight friends to use faggot and people are just being babies if they disagree (personal example) then I would be perfectly happy to have an ally come in and tell him that's not acceptable - because shockingly, that isn't acceptable, and his actions don't just affect himself.

Which brings me back to my earlier analogy. A man telling a pro-life woman that she is wrong, is that oppressing and silencing? To obvious answer seems to highlight the self evident flaw in the argument you;re making here.

p.s. what is with the way all you people type in all caps and italics. It legitimately makes you come off as a nutter.

[(Anonymous)]

So a man telling a pro-life woman she has the right to choose, AS LONG AS SHE MAKES THE CHOICE NOT TO BE PRO-LIFE, is totally cool?

I think you've confused the meaning of 'choice' there. Choice means letting someone pick between, you know, choices. Not "Your only option is to pick A or B, but you can't pick A"

[ill_omened]

To clarify I guess.

A man telling a woman supporting pro-life legislation, as part of her overall pro-life beliefs that she is wrong.

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[(Anonymous)]

He should sit the fuck down and let other women handle it and SUPPORT THEM, not make it all about him being the big strong savior man enlightening the poor childish wimmenz. It's not his fucking place. Why is this so goddamn hard for you to understand.

[ill_omened]

He's not making it all about him, he's making it about the ideas espoused, not the person espousing them.

I mean there's very little actually substance to your responses here bar vague 'support (which would entail what precisely?) but never try to enlighten someone because that's like bad and oppression man'.

I find the way you react to this supposed imposition, and the selfish motives you attribute to be telling of your quite frankly hysterical approach.

I've seen it a lot in the queer sphere, and among other people with various disabilities, but it's tremendously regressive and stunts personal growth.

You should also try to drop the constant approach of me as the patronising ally, because I'm speaking from the perspective of the oppressed group, and seeing other people with the same condition buying into this exact brand of unhelpful bullshit. If someone wants to tell me I'm wrong or what I should do (as they have) I'm perfectly willing to accept that regardless of what background or privilege they're coming from - I'd just tell them why the perspective they're taking is wrong, and if it's not take it on, or at least have it influence my approach to the issue at hand.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between making a choice to be pro-life for yourself and trying to make that choice for other people.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, I'm done here. It's clear you are a patronizing piece of shit who uses being an ally as an excuse to exercise the same oppressive bullshit racists, homophobes and sexists use to oppress people like me. But at least they're fucking honest about it.

You are no "ally" of mine, or any minority out there.

[ill_omened]

That's really what you're ascribing to me. That I am intentionally an 'ally' (would not use this term to refer to myself, or really take it on as part of my personal identity, but whatever - I have a strong interest in ethics, and to a large extent my interest in these topics is an extension of that) merely to go out of my way to patronise to minorities because fuck them I guess? Like what do you imagine my end goal is here?

And surely I have absolutely no experience what it's like to be a disenfranchised minority. After all certainly sexuality, physical disability, mental disorder, and learning difficulties don't fall into that category.