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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-24 03:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #2153 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2153 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
There, there.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I'm sad yet I'm smiling like an idiot. Great comment.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
Took the words from my mouth.


But seriously, that part always got to me. What do you say to someone when you know they're not going to be okay?

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I burst into tears when I read his actual death scene, whilst on the bus ;-;

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I hated this book in high school. Still do, in fact. Yossarian was an unethical dick.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Different strokes for different folks.

I personally think that one of the major points of the book was that scared people are not likely to behave in a very heroic way or to be very ethical. Some of them certainly try to, though.

And under the given circumstances Yossarian even contrived to appear to be a decent person. I actually like him. There're really a lot of parallels between "Catch" and some stories about the concentration camps (I live in a post-Soviet country, so I'm really well acquainted with the topic).

Sorry that you were forced to study a book that you hated (it is compulsory, as far as I understand?)

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
In my school district, yes. It was also my teacher's favorite book and she was neither a particularly good teacher nor well-versed in her native language, which colored my experience greatly.

To a certain extent, I can understand his character as someone who didn't want to go into war, didn't believe in the war, and who was primarily interested in self-preservation. It was the arbitrary censoring of letters that really got to me. He was just pointlessly making others' lives worse or more difficult, and it made me despise him from the outset.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I see how it can rub one the wrong way. But for some reason I don't condemn Yossarian for this. I dislike Milo and Aarfy for what they've done, but not Yossarian. Logically it doesn't even make much sense. I suppose it's just because all the characters were slightly autistic anyway (human communication and compassion is another theme), but Doc Daneeka, Yossarian, Orr et c. had at least some altruistic feelings.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Iirc, what Milo and Aarfy did were a little...um...different from blacking out random words in a letter. Of course, it's also been a long time [and many books ago] since I read it, so I can't swear I'm remembering that right.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
We never had to read this for school (Brave New World, how I loathe thee...), so I don't understand the plural a/um thing, and my head is @_@ing trying to make it make sense...

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
DA who hasn't read Catch-22 in years, so I can't remember how it comes up in the book, but I would assume that it has to do with the way plurals are formed in Latin. Words with the nominative singular ending in -um are neuter second declension nouns, for which the correct ending of the nominative plural is -a.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oooooh, okay that's why it wasn't connecting for me. I was trying to think of English words that ended in -um and then pluralizing them, and yeah... XD

Thank you kind anon. :)

[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2012-11-25 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Delicious, delicious pla?

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm also baffled about how it relates to the book, but it's years since I read it. Is it maybe in the way they censor the letters? Anyhow I do get the Latin reference.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
It's been a lot of years since I read it, but I'm still disappointed every time I say "Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?" or refer to Yossarian's reaction to hearing the story of the 50-millimeter Lepage glue gun from Captain Black ("My God, it's true"), and find that no one recognizes the reference. I'm glad you're out there somewhere, OP. Even if we never meet, I like knowing that there's somebody in the world who'd get it.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
This book got me through some very bad times, OP. So seeing your secret made me smile. <3
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[personal profile] twerpwood 2012-11-25 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
Woot, a Catch-22 secret! :D Doc Daneeka isn't quite my favourite character (that honour goes to the Chaplain), but I found him very interesting all the same, especially after seeing what he did when Milo had the campus bombed.