[ SECRET POST #2154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2154 ⌋

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Comments

[truxillogical]

I...think you need to get those rage issues looked at.

Tiana is a princess. She married a prince. Formally, that means you get to be a princess.

"Jasmine is okay, Pocahontas is Pocahontas." Okay, yes? And, what? Names came up that refuted your "princesses are useless" statement, and...not much there.

"Isn't terrible" is an awful cute way of letting us know that you're still in some kind of childish "everything girlie is STUPID!" phase, which frankly, is way more damaging than the idea of giving Leia some sparkly on a bit of merchandise intended for little kids. You seem to have a seriously twisted view on things being feminine.

And for the record, a lot of little kids in the ages of 3-6 become seriously "insecure" about gender. That's the age where they'll start to point out that someone's doing something wrong because "he's a boy/she's a girl." It's not any kind of insecurity in the way you seem to be thinking of--they're at an age when they're not quite sure what is real, and they're doing their best to figure out those Basic Truths about living and interacting with other people. So a four-year-old Knows She's A Girl, and here's this thing that everyone says is For Boys. For an adult, for a teen, for a ten-year-old, whatever, have fun. For a four-year-old? That's actually really confusing.

[chardmonster]

When did I say that everything girly is stupid? I liked princess movies when I was a kid. The difference is that Disney's princess branding wasn't quite in full swing. There were movies about princesses but no specific Disney Princess line of products and media. That's really what I'm worried about. I wouldn't mind any daughter of mine watching Cinderella. What I'd worry about is the idea that she, as a girl, must like princess things--or that she, as a girl who likes princess things, is only capable of liking things labeled princess.

I even own some skirts!

A lot of little kids are insecure about gender. But isn't telling kids that "girls play with girl toys, boys play with boy toys, but we have some Star Wars toys labeled Girl Toys so now you can play Star Wars" a problem?

The issue isn't that girls like girl toys. The problem is that girls are being told they may only like toys with Girl right on the label. Princess branding is a part of this. Slapping Princess on Princess Leia isn't fixing the problem. It's kind of a way of saying that girls should like Leia but Luke and Han and all that is for Boys.

[diet_poison]

I don't think anyone is advocating telling girls they can only play with girl toys or boys that they can only play with boy toys. What people are saying is that since that phenomenon already exists, and even as a parent we can't protect our children from it completely, why not try to find a way to use it to the advantage of exposing kids to more than just one type of toy/interest and hope to gradually demonstrate that it's okay to like a variety of things? Especially if the kid in question isn't yours. If I had, say, a niece (just throwing that out there, I don't have any nieces or nephews right now) whose parents were like that and she was led to believe it Wasn't Okay for her to like things that weren't princesses, I'd love to give her a Princess Leia doll to give her some new ideas and open her mind a little bit. It might really benefit her in the long run.

[chardmonster]

What people are saying is that since that phenomenon already exists, and even as a parent we can't protect our children from it completely, why not try to find a way to use it to the advantage of exposing kids to more than just one type of toy/interest and hope to gradually demonstrate that it's okay to like a variety of things?

This is an especially bad way of doing that, though.

A better example is that girls' engineering toy that popped up on Kickstarter awhile ago. It's pink and involves a cute female main character and cute pet animals--so it'd appeal to girls who are into that sort of thing--but isn't as shoehorned. It isn't pushing a particular conception of femininity on little girls. It just happens to be pink.

Again, I've got no problems with little girls deciding they like to play princess. I think the problem with a lot of nerd communities is that we can't look outside corporate media concepts.

[diet_poison]

Well, to be fair, I'm currently a bit wary of Disney in general because of some of the recent purchases they've made. I'm not saying their shit is perfect.

I guess I was mainly responding to your vitriol. =/ I don't feel as strongly about that as you do, but it seemed like you were particularly hell-bent on shooting down the idea and I guess I got a "girls liking girly things is bad" vibe from it a little bit.

[chardmonster]

Oh hell no. I consider Princess Leia a "girly thing" in the first place. The OP probably does too.