[ SECRET POST #2161 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2161 ⌋

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[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/ViCep.png?1

[unicornherds]

People have been saying that from the start, but as I've not watched the show lately - what'd they do that's pushed it beyond your acceptable limits?

[light_shade]

Well, for me, it was the scene where he refused to go to a simple school dance for thirty minutes when his possibly-dying mother asked him to because she didn't know if she'd be around for other dances later. She had clearly defined the limits and terms of going to the dance and he acted like a complete disrespectful brat in that scene. Having the writers handwave his behavior as part of his condition just makes me think they glanced at the Wikipedia page for Asperger's and called it a day.

[(Anonymous)]

That... actually makes me feel more sympathetic to him than the previous bits and pieces I've heard about him. Why is it so important to his mother than he go to a school dance? It's a school dance. It's not like he'd be missing anything critical. Wouldn't she rather spend time doing something they both enjoy? I think... I would go to a school dance for thirty minutes if my possibly-dying mother asked me to, but it wouldn't have come up, because my mother wouldn't ask me to do anything so stupid when she knows it would make me uncomfortable.

A fucking school dance is not worth emotional blackmail.

[light_shade]

It was more the lack of respect he showed her in that scene that got me, although for personal reasons, the dance thing annoyed me too. He basically yelled at her, not as his mother, but the same way he might do to a peer, calling her names and pitching a fit. That is not acceptable to do to your parent no matter what they ask you to do.

[(Anonymous)]

But...that's kind of the point. Some people with autism do not see the difference between a relationship with a mother or a peer. Or rather they don't understand why you should act differently between the two. A lot of what kids with aspergers would do would probably fall under commonly thought "not acceptable to do to your parent no matter what they ask you".

[(Anonymous)]

I can imagine situations where it would be acceptable to pitch a fit at one's parents, although it probably wouldn't be very effective.

"I would like you to give me your entire life savings so I can buy crystal meth and get super high."
"I would like you to have sex with that sketchy guy over there."
"I would like you to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand."

[(Anonymous)]

I lol'd at that third one.

[thinkatory]

Please ask for clarification if any of my points are iffy; this is a topic on which I have trouble being clear to neurotypicals.

I have high-functioning autism and my mother (who was my primary caregiver throughout my life) actually saw this fight as some proof Kristina doesn't really fully comprehend Max's condition yet. High-functioning autism is a development disability that affects social situations, and that isn't limited to "people outside of your family." Though speaking as someone with HFA I can tell you that it's easier to deal with family because they understand it better, take the usual "I don't understand why my family is so WEIRD and doesn't UNDERSTAND MY SPECIALNESS" of teenagerdom and add in a GIGANTIC blind spot for stuff like "why is my mother making me do this thing that makes me deeply uncomfortable?" and it becomes less of a question of why he reacted the way he did.

"It's easy dealing with autistic teenagers, no matter how high-functioning they are," no one said ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Just affirming your comment. I agree with all of this.

[unicornherds]

That seems more of an issue with the mom than the kid. I mean, I could see an average teen pitching a fit that long if they really put their mind into it.

My main problem with Max's storyline, when I watched the show, was that his mom never seemed to actually get Max's problems. She acknowledged but never seemed to understand. And I found her way more annoying and hard to watch than any annoying behavior Max exhibited. Though that could be because I have cousins with autism that act very very similar to Max at times and so I kind of understand through the frustration.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the writers get it all right or even do all their research. And his condition is definitely exaggerated for TV at times, just that it was that way from the start.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I didn't know anyone like him. Watching Max is like watching my cousin's son. I totally admit to wanting to fast forward through my time with my cousin's kid.

[(Anonymous)]

Open your fucking mind.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, it's the responsibility of other people to understand that those of us with ASD don't choose to be the way we are, and not everything about our condition is negative. It's the responsibility of those of us with ASD (at least, ASD high-functioning enough to empathize) to understand that sometimes dealing with us can be really unpleasant. Life sucks that way.

[(Anonymous)]

What is this thing that is happening on my screen? Why are you intent on destroying my life, you vile crofter? Every day, you taunt me with these foul images. You are driven by the basest form of perversion and if I had it in me, I would drain it from you.

[(Anonymous)]

My sister works in a school for kids with Autism (I'm pretty sure she gets peed on and physically abused on a daily basis) and she is mind-boggled at how accurate his portrayal is of a kid with Aspeger's.

[(Anonymous)]

What motivates a comment like this? I don't expect you to answer me, because you're obviously someone who gets off on disturbing others and not entirely rational. I just really wonder what it is that drives people like you to make such nasty, ignorant comments.

Do you feel good now? Like a big person? Is making nasty generalisations about people with psychological challenges how you get off? How does that make you feel about yourself?

[(Anonymous)]

What is this comment?

[(Anonymous)]

...did you reply to the wrong comment?

[(Anonymous)]

Peeing on people and refusing to go to a school dance are... two very different places on the autism spectrum.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure about the show and in the school dance situation I see both sides. I just hope this thread doesn't turn into "Autistic people are unholy demons". I see that too much in many places. Someone brings up the bad behaviors of one or group of autistic children and someone turns it into "all autistics are like that". I have Aspergers syndrome. And while I can be insenstive and a pain sometimes I can be really overworried about upsetting people over every little thing at others. How I react to something that upsets me depends on how much time I take to think about it and realise that a conflict is really not worth it. (Usually when I have a disagreement with my folks before a long day at work in which I cool down). Yes there are autistic children who can be absolute brats. But guess what. There are non autistic children who can be brats too. Sometimes there are adults who still act like brats. It's all dependent on the individual. I grew up with parents who stressed that my disorder is not an excuse to get away with things and hold me responsible for things. Thus I learned not to use the Asperger's card when I offend people.

Sorry if I'm reading into this wrong but I just wanted to explain this before the asshole trolls come in start blindly bashiing and trying to claim that being autistic makes you an asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched the show either, but everything you said is true (or at least, it matches everything I know regarding the topic).