[ SECRET POST #2162 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2162 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I've gotta say that I don't mind that at all... because masculine qualities are still overwhelmingly prized over feminine ones in society. Very feminine kick-ass characters are a rarity. They're usually tomboys, "one of the guys", praised for their masculinity. Even if they wear a dress once or twice, it's still seen as weird and they're always *waaay* more comfortable in their pants, and make a comment about it.

I just love feminine action heroines. I've been watching Buffy and I love that she actually enjoys wearing dresses and being girly, and it doesn't impede on her kicking ass.

[feotakahari]

"Very feminine kick-ass characters are a Rarity."

FYT. (Well, maybe "kick-ass" is a little much, but she did once kick a manticore in the face.)

P.S. Really, we need more awesome feminine heroines AND heroes. (This is something I've been giving a lot of thought to since watching http://blip.tv/needsmoregay/top-8-effeminate-badasses-5301152, which introduced me to some characters I had no idea I'd find so awesome.) Of course, we also need more awesome masculine heroines, as the secret-poster suggests, and we need more masculine heroes who're legitimately awesome rather than bland cookie-cutter stereotypes. Screw it, we need more awesome, period.

[inkdust]

Ra from Stargate! I always loved that he was so feminine and so powerful.

[brooms]

ra's inclusion made wonder where the guy who made this list was drawing the line between effeminate badass and sissy villain ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SissyVillain )

a lot of sissy villains are powerhouses.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with this is that even though masculine traits are valued over feminine ones, a female character being composed entirely of masculine traits is still not acceptable. Masculine traits are the ideal if you're a man. If you're a woman, you can't win. If you're feminine you're a weakling, if you're masculine... take your pick of homophobic and transphobic slurs, you're that.

[(Anonymous)]

Excellently put.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't really seen that as much, tbh. Growing up, guys thought girls were super cool if they were into "guy" things. It became popular for girls to brag about how bitchy and catty girls were, and how they were friends with mostly guys. And guys welcomed that behaviour. Society encourages it.

Like, Ripley in the Alien series. She's pretty much universally praised, and she doesn't really have any classically feminine qualities. Vasquez as well. I've never seen anyone tear them down for being too masculine.

(though I DEFINITELY have seen a lot of "she must be a lesbo" in response to masculine women. Or basically any woman with short hair... which is a whole problem on its own. but the character isn't seen as "lesser" for masculinity, as far as i've seen.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you -- I think IRL, some women get a lot of shit if they aren't feminine (ESPECIALLY if they are not conventionally attractive and/or overweight -- pretty, shapely girls who wear jeans and baseball caps and like football, etc. are still cool with the guys), but in our fiction they get more of a pass (especially if they're violent).

[diet_poison]

Some women irl maybe, I haven't seen too much of that myself (though it's def there, and people have their own experiences, etc.). Men get a fuckton of shit and then some for being too feminine, though, which pisses me right the fuck off. One of my biggest pet peeves about society. Femininity is still seen as "bad" or "lesser" to an astonishing degree.

[(Anonymous)]

> Men get a fuckton of shit and then some for being too feminine, though, which pisses me right the fuck off. One of my biggest pet peeves about society. Femininity is still seen as "bad" or "lesser" to an astonishing degree.

Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I actually found Ripley to be kind of a nice mid-point.
Vasquez was definitely super masculine and that was pretty much her thing. I felt they gave Ripley a touch more sensitivity. She took on a motherly protector role of the little girl, and wasn't she trying to save the cat? That and I felt like there was a flicker of potential romantic interest between her and one of the male crew, I forget who. But that all added up, to me, to point out that she had both (typically viewed as) feminine and masculine qualities and all of it equaled badass.

Ripley

[(Anonymous)]

NUh-uh. Ripley's character in AlienS, for all that she is sweatin'it in manly tank tops and wielding the BFG, is flag-bearer for the super-feminine quality of motherhood. The whole substitute daughter thing going on with Newt, and how she is directly parallelled and villain-matched with the Queen protecting her eggs - James Cameron got it surprisingly Right.