[ SECRET POST #2164 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2164 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

This is pretty true. I also think that JKR thought that James dying to protect his family showed change. Except that people like Lucius Malfoy would have done that for their family, so while protecting your family is great it doesn't necessarily equal change.

I wish we could have seen some real change on the part of James, but I don't think that means it didn't happen. And the fact is, that we didn't really see all that much of James anyway. All the scenes we actually saw of him were colored by it being Snape's memories. It would have been nice if, for example, Remus had given Harry a good memory of his father. But James was dead, as was Lily, so anything we saw of them was going to be skewed by whose memories we were seeing them through.

[lunabee34]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. We get no objective picture of James. Either he is characterized as a saint and a hero by his former comrades or he is a monster in Snape's memories.

I think James did grow; I think most of us do things as kids that later shame us (I know I did), but it is a real shame that we don't get to see any of that.

In terms of Harry's characterization, it's a brilliant move--that moment when he finds out his dad is human instead of an ideal is really powerfully done. But not so much for the rest of the story.

[intrigueing]

Well, we see bits of him as a ghost-thing from the priori incantatum and the resurrection stone thing, but that's not exactly gloriously vivid characterization the way Snape's Worst Memory was...it felt like the flashbacks of the young adult Marauders in general were skimped on compared to the development Lily and Snape got.

[lunabee34]

*nods*

I agree.

Rather than James, Sirius is the character I have the most trouble with because I don't get the sense that he's changed drastically since he was a kid (and I concede that being imprisoned for pretty much all of his adulthood probably contributed to that hugely).

[intrigueing]

Sirius being like I don't mind because...his lack of development IS analogous character development, you know? His lack of development is part of his character arc.

But then again, Sirius seemed way more mature in Goblet of Fire, especially his adorably nagging totally-sounds-like-a-boring-responsible-adult letters and the scene in the cave where they talk about Crouch, than in Order of the Phoenix so I could definitely see the potential of his character there (which I attribute to him being locked in his parents' old house all alone, but it's still so hard to read through, especially when you know he's going to die without ever getting out of there. Makes it ten times more cruel, because he never got a chance to grow properly after being freed).

I've read these books way too many times, haven't I?

[lunabee34]

Awww, no such thing as too many times. :)

I love love love that moment in the movie when Sirius calls Harry James--such a perfect addition, I thought.

I can't imagine what living in that house again did to him; there really had to be someplace better they could have stashed him, you know? Some place that wasn't a dungeon of dark and hideous childhood memories. LOL

[philstar22]

I actually hate that moment. I don't think it was that explicit that Sirius was confusing the two in canon, and I don't personally think he was quite that far effected.

[lunabee34]

Different strokes for different folks.

I can certainly see an argument for not liking it. :)

[(Anonymous)]

An actual dungeon would probably be an improvement.

[lunabee34]

LOL

No joke.

The oppressive aura of that house is unimaginable.

[(Anonymous)]

I've always imagined Azkaban as being rather dungeon-like.