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fandomsecrets2012-12-05 05:21 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2164 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2164 ⌋
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Re: Hi, OP, I'm a Doctor Who fan.
(Anonymous) 2012-12-06 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)I don't mean to say that Elementary!Holmes isn't shown to be wrong (and for it to not be a big deal) more often than BBC!Sherlock — that's true. It's also true that he is more varied, and is more clearly shown as being only one character among a cast that has different lives and storylines in which he is not always a direct factor.
At the same time, I think you're being really disingenuous about BBC!Sherlock? He is quite often shown as making the wrong assumptions — he thinks the passenger of the cab is the murderer in A Study in Pink, he gets completely steamrolled over in the first half of A Scandal In Belgravia (despite the ending, which I despise and will not attempt to defend), he makes mistake upon mistake in The Hounds of Baskerville, and everything spins right out of his control in The Reichenbach Fall. The fact that he doesn't empathize with the victims of crimes is clearly said to be a massive failing, and one that eventually comes back to bite him in the arse.
Anderson and Sally are not shown as awful people unworthy of respect, either; they're shown as people who dislike Sherlock and sometimes act like dicks when he's around, but then he is a dick to them more often then not, something which the narrative doesn't attempt to disguse. Eventually, Sally turning against him in TRF doesn't come out of nowhere, doesn't happen simply because she dislikes him, but is the result of her believing him — because of evidence Moriarty had planted — to have committed crimes and kidnapped children.
As for the old "John caters to Sherlock's every whim" argument, it's really, really superficial, and only upheld by people who conveniently forget that, for instance, John confronts Sherlock quite sternly about his lack of empathy in The Great Game, and an entire conversation between them hinges around the fact that he's disappointed in him because of it. Or that he clearly and completely refuses to give in to him in the opening of THoB, when Sherlock is manic with a need for cigarettes and John shoots him down coolly and plainly. Or that he berates him when Sherlock doesn't act with the compassion and kindness that a man who's been heavily traumatized over the course of several months requires. Or that the Sherlock just lays on the couch putting nicotine patches on his arms scene that you mention happens exactly once, in the very first episode, and the only reason John hastened to his side was because he thought Sherlock was in danger (and that it doesn't happen again, at all, tea or not, so I'm wondering why you assume it to be a regular occurance). Or that he makes it very, very clear that Sherlock drugging him in THoB was wrong, and that Sherlock isn't forgiven for it. Or that when Sherlock appears to care very little about Mrs Hudson in TRF, John instantly and quite furiously calls him out on it.
Come on. There are many criticisms to be aimed at this show, I'm not denying it, but the "John doesn't have a spine and Sherlock is always right" argument is fallacious. I like both of these shows, very much, and the way people tend to glorify the one by bashing the other is ridiculous and annoying; people need to stop inventing flaws about either show the better to support their argument, especially when there are already flaws aplenty to discuss.