[ SECRET POST #2166 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2166 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Daniel Craig

[nyxelestia]

I wouldn't be so sure.

I mean, quite frankly, they change aspects of Bond's character and history all the time (it takes a lot of suspension of disbelief to really buy that all the previous Bonds are the same character with different actors/faces, after all), and the contracts could probably be changed if the studios decide that making Bond bi would be profitable enough.

That said, it's just unlikely to be any time soon because right now, making Bond bi would be too risky, even with gay rights standing as they are around the world. Give it another decade or two, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bond started actually getting hot and heavy with the boys as well as the girls, and not just hinting at it like in Skyfall.

Re: Daniel Craig

[elaminator]

I agree 100%, including the bit about all the Bonds being the same character (I just found this out actually, and was shocked. I thought it was just another codename...). That seems wacky to me, and though Bond movies are certainly about fun and I can understand a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required, that seems a bit much to me. Still, if it's canon, it's canon I guess.

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

The movie producers have limited rights to Bond. Whatever they want to do with the character is irrelevant because they can only do what they're allowed to.

I don't know what movie you saw, but they didn't hint that he's bisexual in Skyfall.

[seiberwing]

Bond himself didn't seem to have a problem hinting it.

(I know, I know, he could have just been snarking. But on the other hand he might not be. Equal opportunity honeytrap.)

Re: Daniel Craig

[visp]

Yes they did. "What makes you think it'd be my first time?"

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously you've already seen the comments downthread explaining this, but I'm posting this for anyone else who reads your comment.

That line was not a confession and the filmmakers regret leaving it in there because they didn't expect anyone to take it literally. The director has said some very disparaging stuff about viewers who took it literally and actually used the word 'stupid' to describe them.

Re: Daniel Craig

[nyxelestia]

..."What makes you think this is my first time?", anyone?

As Visp said, it can go either way - a line that ambiguous can be taken in any direction the viewer wants it to. Regardless of what the director might have intended, it's kind of a massive window of opportunity, especially if Craig himself said all the way back in 2008 he wouldn't mind being bi. People who like their Bond straight can say he was just trying to screw with Silva, and people who would like to imagine him as bi can take it as a 'confession'.

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

What wouldn't you be so sure about?

...they change aspects of Bond's character and history all the time... All the changes they make are drawn from the books or are approved by Ian Fleming's literary executors. Other authors have written stories about James Bond but that doesn't automatically make them a part of the canon. They have to have pre-authorization and their finished work must meet certain criteria before they can publish.

...contracts could probably be changed if the studios decide that making Bond bi would be profitable enough. Not in this case. The character is owned and licensed through a trust. The executors have strict guidelines within which to operate. No matter how profitable someone in Hollywood thinks it might be to make James Bond bisexual, they can't do it. Ian Fleming was very careful about what would happen to Bond after he himself had died. He set things up so the character could live on but that no one could change the character.

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

It's an artistic integrity vs. possible profit grudge match!

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

LOL That makes me think of this: "Hey, I have an idea! Let's make another Sean Connery as James Bond film. I don't like the way they did 'Thunderball' so we could just redo that one. We could even call it 'Never Say Never Again' because that's what Sean said about playing Bond." *time passes* "How many fucking lawsuits can they file for the same thing?!"

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Re: Daniel Craig

[nyxelestia]

Ah, did not know that. My comments were based on standard movie operating procedures, but I guess I'm not too surprised an author might do something like that if they are able (is that sort of thing typical in Britain or was this a unique situation? With most American studios, the literary author wouldn't really have that kind of authority, so to speak, so now I'm curious...)

Re: Daniel Craig

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't standard but Ian Fleming was a bit mental. There were some others who did it but mostly character rights were sold outright if they hadn't been commissioned. The laws were to protect character licensing through the BBC. I don't know if it would be possible to do such a thing now. My grandfather worked in the BBC's legal department, so my knowledge only extends through his retirement in 1985.