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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-17 07:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #2176 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2176 ⌋

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Sorry for late, busy day.

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting? Important? Luce is the very definition of 'Mary Sue'. I haven't caught up with the series in a while, but has it finally been said that Luce is really Lucifer? Because that was so obnoxiously implied in the first book that I winced whenever it was joked about.

This serious is basically just Twilight, only worse, as instead of being "The secretly hot normal girl everyone loves" (Bella) Luce is the omg special chosen one who all the angels need to save (Or want to bang, whichever) I wouldn't say you're like Luce, as she has zero personality aside from whining and acting like a child that needs to be coddled every five seconds.

I also found the 'love' story incredibly cliched and overused. "Oh em gee this hot mysterious boy acts like he hates me. Oh but oh em gee he saved me from the evil whosit that tried to attack me! Squee! We're really soul-mates joined by our crotches with the silver string of fate! Teehee" :B

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, it is kind of an un-self-aware secret, isn't it? Being sad because you're a similar person to the generic, reader-stand-in main character but you don't go on the interesting adventures that the character in the book goes on - I mean, that's the whole point of this sort of book. Vicarious romance and adventure undertaken by bland characters it's easy to identify with. There's nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is. So, I mean, you know, it's hardly a unique reaction (although being depressed by it is maybe uncommon) and it's what the book is designed to do & it's hardly realistic to want your life to be as interesting as a self-insert fantasy novel.

Man, all these secrets are just riling me up today, I gotta take a break.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Because the story isn't all that interesting, to be honest. She's a teenage girl that gets locked up for being 'crazy', generic 'true love' story arc, girl whines about having too many love interests, gets even more love interests in the next school she goes to, and then has to remember all her former lives. As her love with her 'forever' man was so wonderous that they were cursed for it.

It's about fifty percent more blander than Twilight, if you can imagine that.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
And that's the thing that the reaction is "WHY CAN'T MY LIFE BE LIKE THAT"? Seriously? "Why can't my life be like an incredibly bland story where all the guys love me but I'm still a virtuous perfect victim?"

Yeah, I'm sticking with "un-self-aware".

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
There's a good amount of "He hurts me because he loves me!" in it, too, which skeeves me out. :P
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2012-12-18 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, no I cannot. LOL The attempt might make my brain explode.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
The definition of "Mary Sue" involves fanfiction. Any claim a character native to a work is a Mary Sue is altering the definition.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Wesley. Crusher.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Wesley Crusher strongly resembles a canonical Mary Sue, but by the strictest definition is not, because he's canonical.

For that matter, one of the reasons Wesley feels so Mary Sue-like is he's this random teenager doing all sorts of crap on a starship distracting attention from the people who seem like they should be the main characters. This description cannot be applied to someone who is supposed to be the main character.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
^^This.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 09:19 am (UTC)(link)

I leave little handwritten notes in that book when I come across it in bookstores warning any potential buyers that it is subpar Twilight and just awful. I was personally offended reading that book.
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SPOILER ALERT

[personal profile] melissatreglia 2012-12-18 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Luce isn't Lucifer, but apparently she banged him before becoming incarnate a bajillion times.

That is, if the Goodreads reviews are anything to go by.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
i think that's the point of all YA novels, they make the lead character so bland and indistinct, beige, if you will, that young readers can easily self-insert...beyond what's happening around them, the characters themselves are empty(headed) canvases
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[personal profile] silverau 2012-12-18 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I know nothing about this, but I'm sure most people in fandom have felt this way about some character somewhere.

[personal profile] sachiko_san 2012-12-18 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
All I can think of when see that cover it "Did they steal album art from an Evanescence CD?"
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[personal profile] melissatreglia 2012-12-18 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. Same here. It's trying so hard to be goth, that it just looks like Amy Lee posed for a picture.

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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-18 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
OP, the vast majority of us are never going to have lives as "interesting" as characters from fictional books, shows, or games.

You know what? That's ok. Those characters' lives are invented for entertainment and sometimes philosophy/social commentary. We can choose to make something out of our lives that is interesting to *us* even if other people wouldn't pay lots of money to read/watch/play it.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I'm not going to let it be ok. I'm going to make my life something interesting. Whether or not it's interesting to someone else doesn't really matter, but it's going to be interesting and exciting to me and I won't settle for less just because it isn't supposed to be realistic.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-18 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That...doesn't really contradict anything I just said? Unless you are saying that you're not going to rest until your life is as fascinating as a fictional character, in which case...good luck, I guess?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
P.C. Cast? Who are they? A group of ethnically diverse characters with varied and non-stereotypical personalities who get together to comment on books?
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[personal profile] melissatreglia 2012-12-18 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Phyllis Christine Cast is the author of the equally awful House of Night books, along with her daughter Kristin Cast.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh? Where did P C Cast come up from? Her books are...... O....K... Well the Goddess ones anyway, I've only heard bad about House of Night

(Anonymous) 2012-12-18 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
the endorsement on the cover of the book