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I don't subscribe to "hate the war, love the soldier".

So you love the war and hate the solider?

Harsh.

I got into a fight with my ex-boyfriend once because we were talking about soldiers, and I said I would never be able to date or marry someone who chose to go into the army as opposed to getting drafted. He had friends who were in the service, so he was slightly upset.

It's absolutely NOTHING personal or judgmental - I am just a pacifist in ALL ways, shapes and forms. So being in a relationship with someone who would actively seek out a job in war would mean that we just have completely different world views.

Honestly anon I can really see where you're coming from.

I've never really thought about it - probably because I've never been attracted to anyone in the military.

I couldn't do it because I'm selfish and don't want to deal with the separation and fear.

I wouldn't do it because I don't see the point in being in a relationship with someone who is gone all the time. If I wanted to be on my own a lot, I'd just stay single.

Yeah, same. I don't think they're bad people or anything, I'd never generalize like that. But I couldn't be with someone in that sense.

What do you mean? Do you have zero respect for any soldiers? Honest curiosity.

I hate the war but I respect members of the military - until they do something to make me decide otherwise. Many military members have abused their power and acted atrociously and hurt other people while in uniform, and I have nothing nice to say about them. And I don't respect the higher-ups who are making the decisions to have the US military basically occupy the world and fight wars we *don't* need to fight and kill innocent people.

That said? the soldiers who served? I respect them. Especially when it comes to older veterans - if you signed up to fight in WWII for example I have a helluva lot of respect for that. That was a war that actually had a good cause. (Not saying every decision made in that war was good or right, but...yeah.)

Edited 2012-12-18 04:21 (UTC)

I am tired, so my response won't be as eloquent as I would like, but:

I feel that the atrocities of war outweigh any good cause it may have been started for -- the ends not justifying the means, in a way. War, in my mind, boils down to killing people (or helping others kill people) because you believe your side is right and theirs is wrong. Even if tht is not the intent, that is what ends up happening: it is an argument between leaders that is "solved" by violence. And anyone who willingly participates in that is serving something terrible, with the twisted belief that it is the right thing to do, even honorable. I cannot condone the support of war, and soldiers do just that: support war.

Many argue that it is necessary. But on an individual basis, the ideal (in my opinion) response is to say, "if it's going to happen anyway, let someone else do it; I myself won't be a part of it." It is as Gandhi once said: be the change you wish to see in the world. If one is truly against war, one should not be part of it. Those who do are, in my opinion, enablers at best -- enablers of something far worse than a drug addiction.

Someone said something recently, I think it was dethtoll doing a review of a video game, so I'm very sorry if I'm misappropriating it, but it was something along the lines of "killing for yourself is murder; killing for your country is heroism". That sentiment, whether he meant it truthfully, ironically, or if he was simply quoting someone else, is not something I can agree with. Killing for one's country is not heroism. It is still murder. And I simply cannot respect people who believe that it is the right thing to do.

I better stop, because I could go on forever about this topic, and nobody wants to read an essay. (Well, most of you probably don't. If someone here actually does, then heck, maybe we can work something out.)

I'm not really going to argue with you. I don't think the US has fought a necessary/at-least-partly-justifiable war since WWII.

That being said, the military definitely *is* necessary to an extent. What would you say if we were being actively invaded? (To be clear, we're NOT, though you wouldn't know by listening to some right-wing extremists. But if we were? I think having a standing militia for defense is a good thing for any nation.)

I understand that a military, for any given country, is necessary -- but only because other countries have them. It is a stalemate. If nobody had an army, nobody would need one; but none can be the first to lay down arms.

I do differentiate between the ideal and the practical, and I understand that military action on one side is necessary to counteract it from the other side. But war is not a matter of right and wrong; it is a matter of wrong and wrong.

I hope that made sense, because I've been up too long and am now going to sleep. Thank you for the discussion. I do like discussion.

If nobody had an army, nobody would need one; but none can be the first to lay down arms.

The sad truth is that evil exists. I'd love to live in a world where nobody needed to arm themselves ever for any reason, but...this world will never be like that. It would be foolish for anyone to let their guard down completely and also, imo, irresponsible.

I'm not sure I buy into the automatic respect for soldiers, either. If they do something genuinely heroic or did a thing during their service that was honorable and noteworthy, sure. But military service itself shouldn't automatically qualify a person for heroism. Why does our culture think it does? Because it's dangerous? There are plenty of dangerous jobs that our society doesn't glorify, and in fact downright degrades. Being an oil rig worker is dangerous. Working the graveyard shift at a gas station is dangerous. People can and do die violently in those jobs, but we don't celebrate or honor them.

Is it because they're serving the country? If so, I still disagree, because many of them are not actually performing a necessary service. We are not being attacked. If we were attacked by an opposing army and someone signed up to serve in the military, I'd respect the hell out of them. But only some of the military personnel serving today are occupying positions necessary for our country's safety. Others are in positions that are unnecessary or even actively harmful. They don't get a blanket stamp of approval.

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