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I feel like there's been a couple episodes of FiM that rubbed me the wrong when when I was watching them, but the one that really stands out in my mind is A Friend in Deed.

jfc that fucking episode. I was cringing the whole time and praying the moral would actually be something like "sometimes you can't make friends with everyone and that's okay" but no, Pinkie was rewarded for her behavior and it made me really uncomfortable.

Oh my God I had erased this one from my mind

I have been in Donkey's place

I do not want a Pinkie Pie cheering me up after I tell her no a million times

fuck this episode for encouraging children to disregard privacy boundaries

and fuck it even harder for teaching them that "no" isn't a word to be respected

fuck it fuck it fuck it

I think this one, "Feeling Pinkie Keen" ("ha ha, silly skeptic Twilight! Just shut up and don't question Pinkie's ~~religion~~ Pinkie senses!") and "Over a Barrel" ("lol lol the land disputes between colonizers and Native Americans weren't a big deal, have some pie") were the big "what were the writers smoking" ones

come to think of it, Pinkie being a fucking annoying child seems to be a common factor in all of these, hmmm

(I try so hard to like Pinkie, but I can at most remain indifferent and occasionally amused... why must they make her so much child-like "lol what are boundaries" when her "lol random" stick was amusing enough on its own argh)

lol yeah...ngl Pinkie is my least favorite pony, and a lot of it is that she's never written as being in the wrong, when there are quite a few times when she really was (that episode being the most striking example). She really needs to learn some restraint, and they've been pretty remiss in letting her actually learn that lesson.

Ugh, Over the Barrel. Yes, that one too.

I think you're looking for too much complexity in a show about magical cartoon ponies.

Did you remember that it is a show about magical cartoon ponies

Because it is a show about magical cartoon ponies

Actually, it's a show about magical cartoon ponies learning and imparting very explicit lessons about friendship to young, impressionable kids who are the actual target demographic.

Big difference.

Also, since when did being magical cartoon ponies become incompatible with behaving like rational people? The Simpsons did a pretty damn good job of logical characterization in the first few years of its run despite being about bug-eyed yellow-skinned freaks with overbites and no chins.

Also, since when did being magical cartoon ponies become incompatible with behaving like rational people?

People have made some really good points in response to my comment. But this, man. This.

Please read this sentence out loud.

Then please step outside and go for a walk.

Uh....Why? Do you really want little kids learning lessons from characters, even if they ARE magical cartoon ponies, who don't behave like rational people, at least to the extent of, y'know, learning lessons about friendship in a rational manner? Believe it or not, this show is not targeted at you. It's targeted at little kids. And it's generally not a good idea to teach little kids horribly twisted morals.

I'm not quite sure how this opinion makes me crazy.

Like I said.

Read that sentence out loud.

It is hilarious.

I'm not sure why you don't think I don't know little kids are the core demographic of the magical pony show about magical ponies.

It is hilarious, but that doesn't mean it's not true? Little kids should be watching fictional characters who they can relate to their own lives on some level, if not the whole "magical cartoon pony" level, if said fictional characters are supposed to be teaching them life lessons.

I'm okay with it not being complex

I'm not okay with it being a children's show that teaches terrible lessons to its audience (like anon above me pointed out)

"If people say they don't want to be friends with you, don't give up! You'll eventually find something to win them over! Even if they ask you to leave them alone, don't do that! Just insist and insist and insist..."

and

"Everyone must be your friend. Everyone. If they don't want to be your friend, something is wrong with them and you must find out what it is!"

are not very good lessons to teach to impressionable children who likely don't know the first thing about self-restraint and moderation (and who could wind up annoying the wrong person one day)

and it's also something many adults buy into, not just children -- and the whole thing just really rubs me the wrong way, as someone who values her own privacy and personal boundaries and those of others very much and has had these boundaries crossed by "Pinkie Pies" before, who knew or should have known better and still didn't care

I'm in Donkey's place all the time and I appreciated the moral of that episode. I didn't think it was telling me I wasn't allowed to say no. I thought it was telling the Pinkie Pies of the world that even if you happen to do something nice for them that they appreciate, not everyone wants to be your friend all the time and you need to accept that. (After all, she mostly left him alone after she reunited him with his old gf.) That rang true for the way a lot of my friendships with Pinkie Pie types ended up now.

But the resolution was such a cop out. Turns out that it was missing an old sweetheart what caused Donkey to want to be left alone, and not because, gasp, he actually really didn't like Pinkie Pie and/or didn't want to be her friend. Because that is nonsense. Everyone must want to be friends with Pinkie Pie! Why wouldn't they?!

What about all the people who really do want to be left alone?

The episode failed because Pinkie won in the end (she befriended Donkey) and she never had to learn the lesson that sometimes her approach to live of befriending everyone doesn't work.

Sure, she is less hyper in her relationship with him at the end, which is good, but the fact that she wouldn't leave him alone and still managed to make a friendship at all is what rubs me the wrong way. Real life doesn't work like that. Sometimes people don't like you, and that's okay, and it's not their obligation to like you.

I mean, I'm glad it resonated with you and that you have a good relationship with the Pinkie Pies in your life, and obviously you're not making things up so this is something that does work out in real life, but I'm upset on the behalf of all the other times where it doesn't work out and that were waved away despite that learning to respect other people's boundaries is a worthwhile lesson for children.

Yeah, I feel like the writers sort of wrote themselves into a corner. On the one hand, they wanted to show the value of respecting boundaries. On the other, Pinkie Pie is a force of nature, and will do anything to make a friend, even things that should be impossible, like finding his long lost love. And Pinkie's crazy powers won out, but they tried to make it a moral tale anyway by having her genuinely remorseful about upsetting Cranky, and it just ended up really muddled.

Yeah, it does seem like they were trying to do two different things with it, which pretty much never ends well.

It's just frustrating because it was the perfect setup to teach Pinkie a lesson that she seriously needs to learn, and actually just to teach her a lesson at all because she gets considerably fewer of those moments than the others, and they went the opposite direction with it. And the direction they took was really uncomfortable and not really an appropriate lesson at all (as the anons have described far more eloquently than i ever could). :/

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