[ SECRET POST #2179 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2179 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It helps if one drop one's contemporary mindset and think about the time period. A princess refusing to marry a prince from a rival clan and forge a peace pact in medieval Scotland, just because she didn't want to give up her free lifestyle? Who the heck did Merida think she was?!

[diet_poison]

So you actually think it's ok for a woman - no, a girl - to be forced into an emotional and sexual relationship she doesn't want with a total stranger, forced to move to a new place, give up all her freedoms, and basically become someone's prize? Like, you really do not think it would be natural and right for a child to rebel against that fate? I sure as fuck would. And maybe I'd give your position some consideration if they had actually TRIED to find a way to get around the whole marriage thing - actually tried to reason with the neighbors, and fucking TALKED to Merida about it and explained WHY it was important rather than saying "you're gonna get married now, suck it up".

If grown ass men want to go to war over not getting to fuck a pretty girl then that's their own damn fault. That may have been the status quo at the time, but that doesn't make it OKAY. It was an extremely backwards practice.

And this isn't exactly deep historical fiction. It's a Pixar movie. Meant to be seen by CHILDREN. It really bothered me the way Merida's conflict was portrayed, with her not wanting to get married depicted as a FAULT. The creators knew we'd be seeing it through a contemporary lens and it was DESIGNED to have a message that would apply to us today. The message was basically "don't be a dick to your mom" and that made it look like it was all Merida's fault.

/soapbox

[(Anonymous)]

Whoa, whoa, calm down. Nobody's forcing you to get married.

Anyway -- yes, Merida had absolutely no free will in that situation. She had to do what her mother presumably was forced to do before her. It's incredibly unfair and backwards, and anybody with a brain in the 21st century would hate it, but that's Merida's society for you. And to be honest, I think Pixar made the wrong decision to set a film with contemporary morals in a medieval society.

[(Anonymous)]

Whoa. And I thought I had high standards when it comes to historical accuracy... But honestly, I think you are not applying them to the right context.

This is a children cartoon. Look back on Disney's previous works (disclaimer: yes, I know this is a Pixar movie, however Disney is older): they were all supposed to appeal to contemporary audiences. Do you honestly think that if Disney had started with "The Frog Prince" instead of "Snow White", the movie would have been even remotedly similar to the one we got in 2009?

And the bad news is, there aren't a lot of people who'll care about complete historical accuracy or who are even likely to notice.

[(Anonymous)]

and people who care for historical accuracy aren't necessarily going to watch an animated movie to get it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT:

You're right in that one shouldn't expect historical accuracy in children's films, and that's why I didn't like the plot of Brave that much. Why did the source of Merida and Elinor's conflict have to be a forced marriage, of all things? The clash between what we as a modern audience expected ("Merida deserves to make her own choices") and what would have been typical in a similar situation ("Merida is being selfish, and needs to put her clan first") was pretty much inevitable.

Most of the kids watching the film wouldn't have cared, but it was weird seeing that feel-good ending where Merida got everybody to believe that children should marry whom they choose. It was like watching Cinderella end with Cinderella and Prince Charming starting a constitutional democracy.

[(Anonymous)]

But the same thing happened in Aladin. Jasmine didn't want to be forced to marry someone she didn't choose on her own. In the end she got her father to change the law so she could marry someone she truly loved regardless of social standing.

Totally off topic but it would have been interesting if Disney would delve more into how Aladin was going to handle being Sultan considering he had no education whatsoever and would more than likely utterly fail at trying to run a nation. But it is Disney.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I always figured Jasmine would be ruling Sultana and Aladdin would be her consort

[(Anonymous)]

This is a really terrible comment