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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-20 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2179 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2179 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-21 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Not okay, no, of COURSE not. But if you have the choice of either get married off or watch your entire society descend into a bloody hell of violence and warfare, then you, like pretty much all princesses/high-ranking young ladies in medieval society who were born into troubled times, would HAVE to go through with it, because otherwise you just might have to watch everyone you love die, and possibly end up forced into marriage/slavery anyway if your side lost. Honestly, I kinda have to wonder if you've ever studied the Middle Ages, or politics before the era of modern democracy, if you dont' understand this.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-21 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, but do you really, HONESTLY, think Merida actually understood all that from where she was standing?

Really?

Also, I'm still uncomfortable with putting so much blame and responsibility on the unwilling bride's shoulder's in a case like this. It's like implying that if everything goes wrong it's ALL HER FAULT. No, it's the fault of the shitty society she grew up in. I don't know why all the people hating on her don't take two seconds to recognize that
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(Anonymous) 2012-12-21 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You... missed that the whole theme of the film was about compromise and empathy and changing your destiny through understanding, didn't you?

I mean, that was the point. Literally the point. The big speech that calms the clans down? Is explicitly about changing destiny. And in this case, it's changing destiny to not involve, you know, forced marriage against someone's will.

Merida wasn't completely opposed to getting married in concept, which is why the solution was to give them time and allow love to develop. What she didn't want was to be a prize, since that was all she literally was considered to be, and she didn't want it to be now. When she was talking to Angus, she quite plainly stated, "I'm just not ready" - which is completely fair enough!

The whole point of the movie was about reaching compromises, seeing things from someone else's perspective (Merida sees the repercussions of her earlier, impulsive, and yes, selfish behavior, and Elinor gets to see why Merida is so opposed to the idea) and making social change in that way.

Sure, it doesn't run concurrent to the real Scotland in that period, but I doubt Scotland in that period also had people cursed into being bears...