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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2181 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, look, I get that you are very heavily invested in the possibility of life after death. A lot of people are, because simply not existing is a scary thought to plenty of people.

However. This pseudo-scientific crap about how "we don't have complete definitive proof yet that there is no consciousness after death, so ridiculous stuff like reincarnation and heaven and the concept of a soul are still on the table, scientifically speaking!" is just that, crap. There's a a difference between scientific theorizing or hypotheses and wishful thinking. Talking about the idea of non-biological consciousness is just that.

Be spiritual and believe in whatever you want, if that's how you want to live your life, just don't pretend anything you believe regarding the afterlife and spirits and such have any basis in science, because they don't.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
The AYRT didn't use the words "afterlife" and "spirit" in their comment. (I'm the anon above who mentioned the philosophical idea of the body/mind/"soul" trichotomy, so you can direct your thoughts at me.) I think that their main intention was to poke holes in Ill_Omened's simplistic argument.

There's a lot about our own brains that we don't know. It's incredibly hubristic to assume that our current conception of the biological processes of the brain is the be-all, end-all explanation of "consciousness," since we don't even understand the biological processes fully yet.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I thought you were the same person.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
That's okay -- our writing styles were pretty similar.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT. Sorry, I was away.

Basically, what the anon above me said. I don't have any beliefs regarding the afterlife. I'm agnostic. I'm just not very fond of people saying we have definitive proof of something when, as yet, we do not. It was my understanding that science was based primarily in provable fact. If you do not have proof, you do not have a fact.

We may get proof yet. I'm quite looking forward to it. But we're not actually there yet, is my only point.
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[personal profile] ill_omened 2012-12-23 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
You have a seemingly wilful misunderstanding of what constitutes 'proof'.

We don't, for example have 'proof' in the sense you suggest of the existence of gravity. I doubt you are agnostic about gravity though.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-24 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
This sentence makes no sense to me.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-24 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
How fucking idiotic do you have to be to not be able to understand what they said?