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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
I pointed out the talking animal movies because you can't really put them in either camp. Because they are animals. Should have clarified that, sorry.

But I see KFP as an exception because it still obviously takes place in China and the animals are obviously Chinese, regardless of their voice actors.

The Croods are prehistoric humans. Prehistoric humans originated in Africa or Asia. They don't look white to me at all, honestly.

"Are you serious? THE MOST YOU CAN FAULT THEM FOR."

Yeah, that was a poor choice of words. I was trying to be a little joke-y there, but I guess it didn't work.

I wish they had more female leads as well-that's why I'm looking forward to The Croods, because I've heard Eep is basically the lead and she's great in the trailers so far. But Disney is hardly any better. It would be nice to have at least one movie from them about a girl that isn't just another obvious addition to their princess line. Something like Lilo and Stitch, which actually is one of my favorites, but that movie came out ten years ago and there hasn't really been anything like it since.

Funny how almost all of those risky movies you mentioned are either decades old, or are constantly swept under the rug/ignored by the very company that made them. I love a lot of the films you mentioned but it doesn't change the fact that the company itself seems to view at least some of them as mistakes.

Also, to use a more specific example, The Princess and the Frog suffered a TON because the studio was so unwilling to take risks with it. For fear of offending people, of course, which is a worthwhile thing to take into consideration, but a lot of the things they ended up dumbing down or reducing would have made it a more powerful movie. Specifically changing Tiana's job and name and barely addressing the societal problems at the time at all in the final film.

I appreciate Disney movies, but I personally think Dreamworks is better off for not having that same pristine, wholesome image that Disney has, and I think that gives them a bit of edge in the long run and more room to try new things and make mistakes. And I think they HAVE done that, and will probably keep doing that. If that makes me a DW stan, well, so be it. Sorry for having different opinions about movies than you?

"Expecting Frozen to take risks as well is not out there of people."

So you agree that they should be taking a risk, then? Then I really don't know why we're arguing about this, we're on the same side here, I just don't think they're going to do it. And, well... they aren't, if the concept art is anything to go by.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Wasn't Tiana supposed to be called Madeline until somebody complained it wasn't "ethnic" enough?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I vaguely remember that she was supposed to be Maddie, but it was too close to Mammie- Mammie (or mammy?) being the "Happy black nursemaid to white children" archetype.