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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


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Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
Anything religious, NO BLACK. For funerals, white. If it's a party, younger people might wear black "designer" saris - though they'd be far more likely to pick a little black dress - but some older ones might avoid it.

Nobody cares about the whole sari colour as related to castes thing anymore ime. I hadn't even heard of the blue sari thing before; certainly all my relatives, old and young, love blue and green, and we're not lower caste. So do my friends, no matter what caste they're from.

Yes, purple is perfectly acceptable. If you want to be impressive, say it's a heavy Kanjeevaram sari with beautiful zari work. And if she's not used to wearing saris, bitch about how long it takes to drape it. ;)

http://shopping.rediff.com/product/purple-kanjivaram-silk-saree-with-heavy-zari-pallu/10467653

This one's banarasi and a beautiful blue:

http://www.exoticindiaart.co.in/product/textiles/campanula-blue-banarasi-sari-with-all-over-woven-paisleys-in-zari-and-jute-thread-SAP20/

If you have any widows, put them in white if you like, but I don't know any who'd dream of actually sticking to that. My grandmother has a colourful collection which she shows off very happily, and heaven help anyone who tries to take it from her. (Disclaimer: obviously there's plenty who religiously stick to white: it varies.)

Really, just relax - India is VERY diverse, and anything true of one community is likely to be very different in another, and completely ignored by the younger generations. Meaning you basically have carte blanche, particularly since it's a fantasy universe.

Also, if your character is modern, upper class and well educated, don't harp on the caste stuff. Chances are she rarely if ever remembers it exists in everyday life, and will have no clue what the castes of most people interacting with her might be. If she's not... maybe avoid it anyway, it's not an easy issue to discuss at all, and you'd likely wind up with it hijacking the story.

Maybe you could link it when it's done? I'm kinda interested. :)

Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
sa

whoops - replace "India" with "South Asia"

Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah it's a fantasy world, so things are pretty old-fashioned fashion-wise.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply anything about blue, it's just the junk I've gleaned from google (which as you can see, clearly isn't right!).

Damn those saris (is that the right plural? Sari. Saris. Sarii?) are GORGEOUS. I love the blue one!

There's a massive class system in this world, unfortunately. However this character is sort of...leading a massive revolution against the oppressive regime...so she'd probably wear blue and not care at all, let alone particularly judge people on who they are/what they wear.

It's less about the caste system in reality, and more about me being aware that, if I'm going to have a character in a sari, I'd better do it right or else come off as looking like a complete idiot.

But thanks for your advice, and the pictures! They've been very useful. I'll try to relax and avoid too much 'real-world' parallels with the whole colour thing.

She's actually a character in a novel I'm writing at the moment, that I will eventually try and get published. But hey, if that falls through and I end up posting it online, I'll happily link it to you :D

Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
da

How close is your fantasy world to real life? I think you can get away with the questionable blue if different castes are represented by different colors in your world and the characters in your world say something what the new colors are before the blue sari happens.

Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Not close at all. Again, it's just me wanting to make sure no readers are offended by what this particular character is wearing because it's massively incorrect.

Re: Saris.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt

tl;dr ahead

If you've got the caste system plus a revolution there's a lot of stuff you can play with. If you have a class system... they're not quite the same. If your verse involves the latter, then it's somewhat easier to move between the classes. If the former, then remember to clearly define what each caste may: eat; drink; learn; trade; occupations; gods; superstitions; legends; rivalries and feuds; alliances; whom they speak to and whom they may marry (arranged, of course: look up honour killings if you have a strong stomach). And if you're going all out to incorporate the multiple religions and communities and their attitudes towards the oppressive regime (singular?) and each other, I salute you.

Re: saris (you can spell it sari or saree, i think sari is more common) - look up how to drape a sari. If you want to describe one, you'll have to mention the blouse, pallu (long length that goes over the shoulder), the pleats in the front, and the borders; also zari. Look up the weavers, too - there are various types of saris that are distinctively made by each guild, several of which are pretty old.

Also, be aware that there are distinctive ways to drape a sari, which can show exactly what community you're from (not sure about caste). Ease of movement varies based on style of draping and material; they're not exactly easy to run in at the best of times. Also jewellery - the mangalasutra, for example, which is the necklace a Hindu woman wears after she's married (like a wedding ring), has variations for each community. And I believe the burquas that muslim women wear when they reach puberty are designed a little differently based on community - plain black burquas, black burquas with understated designs, and some light-coloured burquas.

Sorry for rambling too much >_>.

Good luck with getting it published!