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I like this implication that she WOULD be disappointed to be sorted into one of the houses.

I still find it weird that there's this segregation of children at Hogwarts. And that there's a fucking evil house. An EVIL HOUSE. Yeah, I know, there's sort of excuses about that, but c'mon.

Don't read Divergent, then. I agree with you about Hogwarts, but Divergent's stupid, barely logical Factions is making me miss Hogwarts' Houses.

Oh man, you can't just not explain things. I like barely logical!

Fucking Divergent. That book made no goddamn sense at all when you stopped to think for more than a second.

Gotta start them young with that institutionalized racism.

They try to water it down in Pottermore ("You're destined for greatness!"), but it's still obvious in the books that Slytherin is the racist, nasty house. You can count the "good" Slytherins on one hand.

Seriously, what's the point of having an evil house? Wouldn't the school administrators want to get rid of it and try to keep those 11-year-old kids from developing bad character traits?

It's not segregation of children, really, there's nothing saying that kids in different houses can't hang out, or eat meals together, or just chill, and they clearly have classes etc together. It's just a grouping in order to give people some kind of structure, and not too uncommon for boarding school. The Evil House shit is dumb as hell yeah but the institution of houses as such is not weird at all.

Except that instead of sorting kids randomly into houses for a bit of order and structure, they're sorted by personalities and interests making it really easy for kids to segregate and label each other...especially when it's "common knowledge" that only bad kids come out of one house

:/

also i fucking hated the houses at my school, it was stupid shit. We were already divided by classes and the houses were just there to add stupid competition and drama. Then every time there was an event on I couldn't hang out with my friends because they were all in different houses! it drove me nuts.

I don't know, I had houses at my school and it never bothered me, probably because no one took it that seriously...

I think the issue you've pointed out is a result of the fact that you have the Evil House, which, yeah, that's dumb. also that we only see basically one person's perspective on Hogwarts and we have no way to know if that's universal - I kind of believe that a lot of people would be hanging out with people from other houses all the time.

I had houses at my school, too, and no one really cared either.

But the thing is, Slytherin is always shown to be universally feared. For example, if there was a Gryffindor/Slytherin Quidditch match, all the Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws cheer for Gryffindor. I mean, yes, it's likely at least some socialized with Slytherin, but on the whole Slytherin is presented as the 'evil' house. Which. Yeah.

Well yeah. But that's a problem of "Evil House" and more broadly the sometimes wacked-out moral universe of Harry Potter and more broadly still the fact that Harry Potter Just Don't Make Sense. Not the house system as such, which is fairly benign. It's the moral code of the series that's at issue.

I actually agree with this - although I love Harry Potter in terms of world-building and the variety of characters, the moral code of it all just doesn't gel with me. The society would be incredibly flawed in the real world.

And maybe it's just me, but I don't think love = automatic goodness. So, for example, Snape loving Lily doesn't really make up for the fact that he joined the Death Eaters and would've been perfectly fine killing people if it weren't for her. But love is one of the principal themes in the book, which is why the whole moral landscape of it all is kind of skewed in my opinion.

But the House system is easy to critique because it just makes so little sense and is incredibly unhealthy. I just want to deconstruct it all the time.

I honestly think that there's pretty much no part of the world of Harry Potter that really hangs together on close examination, as much as I love the series. In the case of the moral code of the setting, it's partly a matter of disagreement, and partly a matter of lack of precision and the series just not quite being sure what it wants to say. Definitely, the way the series thinks about love is one element of that, and the way that love and free choice interact with each other, and the existence of the house system and having a Good and Evil house aids in that.

But I guess my point is that the house system is one of the things in the series that hangs together best and makes the most sense because it's basically taken straight from real life by way of British school stories, and all the problems with it come from other aspects of the settings.

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