[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I just didn't get this sense. Like his wiping Donna's memory against her will, ruining Harriet Jones (former Prime Minister's) career, trying to keep the Master alive, telling Rose she has to leave to learn how to control the human Doctor, trying to force her to leave in the first place...jeez, I can't think of more off the top of my head, but he's always just controlling people's lives in little ways and no one questions this. I mean, the people he's controlling get upset, but there's this sense of "I'm right, you're wrong; I'm smart, you're dumb, and there's nothing you can do about it!".

And then there's the fact that Eleven has episodes like The Beast Below and God Complex which establish that he's not always right, he thinks a bit too much of himself, and sometimes he knows the best answer should not be made easily. It felt like it actually was in answer to Ten (and Eleven's), well...god complex.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

Well in all those instances, no one really had the option. Those were all spur of the moment 'can't turn back' kind of moments. Ten got called on his arrogance by a lot of people (Martha, Donna, Queen Victoria, that astronaut lady whose name I forget) and he also gets to see the crap consequences of his arrogance too.

IDK, I guess he just has more small moments of being chastised than Eleven's grander moments (Beast Below, God Complex, Good Man Goes to War).

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, I guess he just has more small moments of being chastised than Eleven's grander moments (Beast Below, God Complex, Good Man Goes to War).

I agree with this, but it's also the reason Ten frustrated me: he had so many opportunities to change his behavior and way of thinking, and never did. If he had grown and stopped taking himself so seriously before he regenerated, I'd think his character arc was the best arc of all the Doctors. But it didn't. He never grew. He didn't change his actions. He just got sadder and angrier and more self-loathing, and clung to his self-importance and arrogance right until his regeneration.

And maybe there's some literary tragic merit to that approach, but in a cracky show with a 50-year legacy about a whacky dickish guy who wears ridiculous clothes and travels around in a police box with pretty young women and is kind of completely fucking awesome, it just made me feel sad and frustrated and cheated.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

He never grew. He didn't change his actions. He just got sadder and angrier and more self-loathing, and clung to his self-importance and arrogance right until his regeneration.

Looking back, I think he was the valley to Nine's peak. Nine grew out of all his anger and sadness when he found Rose. Ten went the opposite way when he lost her. It's actually kind of interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

Er, he didn't have to threaten Harriet Jones' ministry. He was trying to make the choice for Rose the first time she got sent into the other universe, because he was acting like he knew what was best for her (being with her family) when she disagreed (staying with him). And the second time he sent her back it was because she had to control the Doctor, which I felt was just stupid. He's human and without a TARDIS. Essentially powerless. But Rose's feelings and wants don't matter because the Doctor wants something else. Ugh.

As far as wiping Donna's memories, again--this is him making a decision for her. I don't hate him for doing it, but she was asking him not to. He did it anyway because he believed he knew what was best, despite her protestations.

And I already expressed my feelings on him keeping the Master alive. That was hardly necessary and obviously dangerous.

Actually, I feel like that's my issue when compared to Nine or Eleven: Ten often is controlling in small ways and over people's lives in an everyday fashion. 11 and 9 control when it is necessary and saves many lives, rarely just because they *think* it will make people happier or because they *think* the world is better off without so-and-so as leader.