[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #312.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kruger]

yeah i know why she was created but it's ridiculous to try and convey that in a teenager, albeit a ~prodigy~, who says "I CAN'T BE A WOMAN DETECTIVE BECAUSE I'VE ONLY READ BOOKS WITH MALE DETECTIVES!"

i mean when she was like "baw all the force hates me" i was like "that's bc you're a self-important dick that shows up telling everyone how useless they are and you're not even half their age yet"

she's just not a very good medium to express such an idea through, they could've easily done it with an adult social link instead of some whiny 12 yr old or w/e

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't just reading. It was all Japanese media and actual exposure showing her only males made it, while women were ridiculed. And yes, this affects younger girls more often than women who are typically by then locked in. If she weren't young and able to pass as male, she probably wouldn't be working the fucking case, you fucking moron.

Also, she didn't tell anyone they were useless, fuckwad. She was called in to help on the case since they had no leads. If anyone was calling anyone useless, it was the higher ups.

Also, congratufuckinlations on being a special snowflake who is SO UNAFFECTED by sexism--which, by the way, is about a thousand times worse in Japan, but you probably don't care because it's not your preshus Amurikka and everything is judged by Amurrikan standards.

[(Anonymous)]

If they log in again tonight, kruger is going to set in on you like a hound on a pack of rabbits. I agree with your comment, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks. This is one of my pet peeves. People take such an American view with her, but you know, she's a Japanese girl in Japan where sexism is terrible. I mean, shit, people think America is bad with sexism? Japan is way worse. No matter what, she was going to have poor self esteem. Which is a huge point to Persona 4--a lot of the characters have poor self esteem! Because that's kind of what Japanese society is. It's very rigid and everyone sticks to their role, and making any kinds of waves is bad.

Basically, there was no Japanese equivalent of Nancy Drew for her. All detectives would be male in Japan. She had no role models, and it's not as simple as just reading Nancy Drew. That's one single character out of a lot of them, and that's not going to make much difference to someone as practical and realist as Naoto. Especially when she has experience to back her media-fed woes. She's going to see the treatment of women by society, and she can't ignore that for hope. That's not her character.

Also, her point about being dismissed for being a woman is reinforced the day she returns to school after her Shadow. The first thing you hear is two boys talking about how, oh, she's a girl in the most dismissive tone ever, like she's not cool anymore because she's a girl!

[kruger]

just because i don't feel the issue of sexism was represented well in naoto's character doesn't mean i dismiss sexism in japanese society

think about that leap of logic you just made for a second

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't think it was represented well, then yeah.

You're fucking dismissing it, because she's actually a pretty perfect example of how shitty Japanese culture is to girls. Sorry you didn't get your grown woman fap material.

[kruger]

why would i tho

[(Anonymous)]

Because you did!

[kruger]

if i were going sick at someone i'd make a better effort than that, bro

hope you had a cool christmas + happy new year

[kruger]

i decided to reply to you seriously because you thinking i'm american made me laugh

regardless of the fact that she didn't vocalise their uselessness, the mere fact that she had to be called in would've been a punch in the balls to the members of the force that were already there

they will hate the fact that a teenager has been called in to do their job for them, so whether she was a male or a female, they're gonna resent the fact that a teenager is seen to do a better job than them

it's basic human psychology

besides, i just said in my previous comment that i understand the motivation behind creating her, and that i think it's a legitimate one

like i said, i feel like the idea was not expressed as well as it could've been, and should've been done with an adult social link instead of a children's one, because it would lend more weight to the issue her character represents

[(Anonymous)]

Again, that's not fucking her thinking they're useless. That's both their higher ups.

So essentially you're saying they're resenting her for a decision that was made by others so it's okay.

Also, no. It wouldn't have been more powerful as an adult social link or better. Because Naoto would have settled into the sexism and accepted it, not been made nearly as uncomfortable by it. Basic human psychology, since you try to be so good at that. It would lend zero weight as an adult besides to undermine that Japanese youth especially struggle with these old, outdated views thrust upon them.

Also, fuck you. She would have faced twice as much resentment had it been outed she was a girl earlier. She was perfectly aware they already resented her for her youth, and that's why she wanted to be taken seriously and why she masqueraded as a boy, you fucking dumbass. She says it right in the fucking game. Her being a girl would only be yet another reason for them to dismiss her, and she was already getting enough of that.

and yes, you're taking a very American view of this situation. You are everything that pisses me off about this fandom at times. Sorry she wasn't an adult woman crying adult tears to undermine the message about Japanese youth especially experiencing shit self esteem because of outdated views in a culture.

[kruger]

persona 4 =/= real life, sorry to break it to you

she's a fictional character yo, there's no need for this level of pressage

probs gonna be the last reply bc i'm convinced you're acting like a dumbfuck inbred on purpose

+ i don't want to repeat my points bc doubtless they'll go waltzing past your head in cavalier nonchalance while you make no attempt to grasp them and instead spew invectives at me as if they're some kind of substitute for logic