[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #312.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Cf. "baby duckling" thing above, I am that anon. IDK, maybe I'm one of the people OP accuses of having no soul (I don't actually--long story, that), but that whole "seared onto his hearts" and treating regeneration the same as birth? That's going way out of canon territory, IMO (After all, Romana I treated it literally like a change of clothes!), and it does NOT help the bad space opera feel of NuWho at all.

And really, the partings should not be happy OR sad, they just happen. (Which was true for every companion save Adric. And even Five didn't get that emoriffic over it.) Companions came and went. One fell in love and stopped travelling on another planet. Ian and Barbara jumped at the chance to go home when they found the second time machine. Companions came and went. It was never a big deal, which is why NuWho MAKING it such a big deal, makes it seem far more fanfic-like than I think it could be.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'd argue that companions leaving was always a big deal in a sense but it was just exacuted with a lot more subtelty and depth than they are in the new series. There were a lot of companions in the old series where it was just a case of "Meh, tired of this, found something new, bye bye!" - Vicki, Leela, Romana, Mel etc.

But then you had characters that did have actual tear-jerker endings; the big ones being Susan, Jamie & Zoe, Jo Grant, Sarah Jane, Adric, Tegan and I'll admit even Mel's got me a little choked up but that's mostly because of Seven's whole "Think of me" speech.

These weren't overblown with music too loud to hear the dialogue over or bombastic events. It was just close friends having to say goodbye which is heartbreaking enough without having to make it as OMG!TRAGIC as possible.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

These weren't overblown with music too loud to hear the dialogue over or bombastic events. It was just close friends having to say goodbye which is heartbreaking enough without having to make it as OMG!TRAGIC as possible.

I agree, and this is what drives me up the wall, that they've gotten away from that.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

1. Uh, sorry, no, there is no "should". The reason partings are a big deal now is because the audience of today is not the audience of last generation -- they need emotional continuity from episode to episode, or it feels strange. It's a different way of doing television. Of course, it doesn't have to be bullshit "Doomsday" level soppiness, but companions "coming and going"? You must be entirely deluded if you think a modern audience would respond to that with anything other than confusion and outrage. Also, the Doctor's in a different situation now than before. His species is gone, he's alone, of course he's going to be more clingy than before.

2. You...seriously did not just cite Romana's regeneration gag as serious supporting evidence. Please don't tell me you did that. Use all the Doctor's previous regenerations! The ones that weren't ridiculously OTT like Ten's, but actually acknowledged how big a deal a new personality is.

3. When did it say it was "the same as birth"? He changed his personality. Before his personality was fully established, he met a little girl, helped her with a crack in her wall, and got suckered into a massive shitstorm crisis while helping her. What's exactly so completely wrong about the idea that hey, maybe something like that can influence and help shape an uncompleted personality?

Oh...I see. Because the Old Series never did it? Sorry to burst your bubble, sweetums, but the Old series introduced new concepts all the time, baby doll. All. The. Time. Exploring things more deeply. Adding new layers to ideas. Adding new ideas. Coming up with new possibilities and new reveals. Why should the new series just stop adding new ideas to the show? The old series never stopped. Just because an idea hasn't been in canon yet doesn't mean it's wrong.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, could you make yourself sound a bit more like an self-righteous asshole, anon? I just wasn't quite feeling the wank there. If you just put a wee bit more effort in, maybe a "did you really" or maybe another "babycake" or two, I think that would be enough to put it over the top to hilarity.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the anon that thing was replying to, and trust me, it went well over the top into hilarity. XD