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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-26 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2185 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

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Re: ayrt

[personal profile] intrigueing 2012-12-27 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Well, the reason I think it's fine is because...well, he was never in the same situation as new!Eleven was with Amelia. So it was a new situation, and he had to react to it some way. To compare: I didn't like Ten's regeneration because there was no reason for him to react so differently than his predecessors, but I do think that the way Eleven met Amelia was a sufficiently strong and unique reason to be influenced differently. Most of the Doctors had companions across regenerations to bridge the gap, and Three and Eight didn't really have a strong emotional connection right off the bat with the people he first met.

And I'd argue that Four's regeneration into Five could be seen as a subconscious result of becoming someone more suited to his younger companions. Same with One's regeneration into Two. Actually, all the regenerations have a good bit of subtext that gives strong evidence that the current regeneration's personality, and the circumstances shortly before regeneration influence the next regeneration. So the circumstances shortly after regeneration also being influential is just another interesting idea.

Also, I'd seriously dispute the idea that One wasn't a well-developed character. I think he had one of the best character arcs out of all the incarnations -- he was a lost, suspicious wanderer who didn't understand humans much, and he learned a huge amount from Ian and Barbara and from Susan's interactions with them, and it showed. God, it showed so much. Look at One at the beginning of his run versus the end. That is what I call character development. Sure, that was more accidental, due to the writers trying to soften the character for the audience, but it still made a hell of a lot of sense from an in-universe perspective.

I do agree with what you said about everything being defined by emo-ness, as you call it. It's fucking annoying, for one, and gives off the vibe that nothing is "deep" or "meaningful" unless it's really miserable and painful. Which...fuck that. Just fuck it. It's something that pisses me the fuck off about modern tv in general.

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2012-12-27 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
" So the circumstances shortly after regeneration also being influential is just another interesting idea."

That is an interesting idea...now I'm wondering if any of the books or the audios dealt with it.

" Look at One at the beginning of his run versus the end. That is what I call character development. Sure, that was more accidental, due to the writers trying to soften the character for the audience, but it still made a hell of a lot of sense from an in-universe perspective."

I should have clarified that I don't think the characters were well-developed intentionally; I agree with what you say above, but like you said, it was accidental, and just goes to show how much better the writing was back then.