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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-27 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2186 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.parentingscience.com/spanking-children.html

Maybe because every scientific study on it has said it's bad? But hey, who needs SCIENCE when there's anecdotal evidence?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Studies say swearing is cathartic, but I can't do that in public. You can prove anything by making a study of it.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
link pls?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1913773,00.html

I was a little afraid I wouldn't find anything...I read about it a while ago. :)

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Mythbusters debunked this, iirc.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
No, they didn't. In fact, they came to the exact same conclusion - swearing can help with your pain (http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/cursing-and-pain.htm).

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
da

Well, I think you should be able to do it in public.

nayrt

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
and I think you should be allowed to spank your children. we've come full circle.
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Re: nayrt

[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-30 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
lol I don't really understand how those two are comparable. (@ both of you)

So full circle? no, not really
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-28 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
You can't swear in public...?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Not all scientific studies are sound either. Honestly, the majority of kids born before 1990 have been spanked and they're perfectly fine. Spanking is not like slamming a kid's head against a wall or breaking limbs.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
There was a time when the majority of people didn't wear seatbelts in the car, and most of them were perfectly fine...except the ones who weren't.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I have another reply below this one with a quote, so you can see there is skepticism within the scientific community as well concerning the long-term adverse effects (if any) of spanking alone. I don't see a direct correlation.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Depends how/when/where/why the corporal punishment was administered, as to whether or not it would have long-term adverse effects.

Continuing the cycle of violence with the next generation? I'd call that an adverse effect.

Also given the fact that, in the short term, corporal punishment does not actually inform the child as to WHY their misbehaviour was bad, and HOW they can CHANGE said misbehaviour, through their own free will (learning that is a part of growing up, after all), corporal punishment is certainly not effective in either the long-term OR the short-term, "heat of the moment." Which I would also consider an adverse effect.....

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Thank you for this.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not arguing that. It's like saying 'I broke my arm once, and it healed fine.' That doesn't mean breaking a bone is a good thing to do! And advocating that everyone break at least one bone for the experience.

You can go through something harmful and still turn out fine.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
This is a good comment.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
"Robert Larzelere and his colleagues--who have voiced skepticism about the causal link between spanking and antisocial behavior--have proposed another approach (Larzelere et al 2010). Their reasoning goes like this:

Suppose that the observed link between spanking and antisocial behavior is driven by the kids themselves. Some kids are more trouble, and they provoke more disciplinary action.

If so, we should find links between antisocial behavior and all sorts of discipline methods--not just physical punishments.

Larzelere’s team tested this prediction by re-analyzing data from an older study that reported correlations between spanking and antisocial behavior.

Their results? In addition to a link between antisocial behavior and spanking, the researchers also found links between


• antisocial behavior and “grounding,” or punishing kids by taking away their privileges to go out, and


• antisocial behavior and psychotherapy.

This doesn’t mean that spanking children is beneficial. In fact, when Larzelere conducted a meta analysis of 26 published studies on corporal punishment, he and his colleague Brett Kuhn concluded that even mild physical punishment--if used as the primary method of discipline-- was linked with poorer child outcomes (Larzelere and Kuhn 2005).

But it does suggest that individual differences can explain a great deal of the correlation between antisocial behavior and spanking. Some parents really do have to cope with more difficult kids. We can’t assume that spanking created the problem."
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Spanking may not necessarily be the most beneficial form of punishment, but anti-social behavior is affected by a LARGE number of other factors, not just physical punishment.

So like I said, it's not THAT bad. I'm pretty sure a troubled household holds much more sway on a child's disposition than just the occasional spanking. I'd hardly say it's abusive.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Really interesting stuff, ty for posting it.