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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-27 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2186 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2186 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[QI]


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[Supernatural]


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[Haven (SyFy)]


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[The Boondocks]


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[Steve Rogers/Tony Stark]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Twilight]


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[Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations]


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[Stephen Colbert and Audra McDonald]


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[Teen Wolf]


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[Calvin & Hobbes]


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[Blue Bloods]


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[BBC Sherlock]


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(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Kids are gullible. They are not dumb, they just...don't see the bigger picture. Telling people that they matter when, fundamentally, in the wider world, nobody gives a shit if they live or die is not doing them any favors. You're breeding entitlement to recognition of some sort. No one owes you a participation trophy.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
um....technically people do give a shit if they live or die. I'm pretty sure their parents wouldn't shrug it off if they get hit by a car.

that said, participation trophies are stupid. Even my younger sister at about 5 years old didn't really cherish or even give a care about the participation trophy she got, because it didn't really mean anything. The stupid thing lost it's head only weeks later and no tears were shed.

DA

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Parents=\=wider world

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
that just seems like a terribly cynical worldview tbh.

There is a bit of a difference between "the world doesn't revolve around you" and "not many people in the world will care if you die"

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
Um that just sounds like lawyer speak to me.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Did you have a bad childhood, or something? Everyone has an entitlement to recognition of some sort. Nobody has to be told at a young age that it doesn't matter if they live or die, no matter how cynical you are.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
>>Everyone has an entitlement to recognition of some sort.

No, they don't. If someone does nothing, then they're entitled to nothing. A person should be recognized for what they actually accomplish. A kid who learns early that just showing up gets them an award is going to be very poorly adjusted out in the real world, where nobody cares unless something is done for them.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Except telling kids that "nobody cares unless something is done for them" is kind of an awful thing to tell a little kid. I mean, I agree that participation trophies don't mean squat, and I never met a kid who was fooled by them--"Oh, you got the participation trophy" is the newer generations' "Oh, you didn't get a trophy," with some added condescension. But on the other hand, I think it's important to teach kids that their families, at least, will always care for them. There's plenty of time to withdraw approval for stupid shit when the kid gets older and starts trying for independence from their family anyway.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
DA
>>people are entitled to be recognized as a HUMAN BEING

if you tell your young kid "in the wider world you don't really matter" regularly, that kid is going to end up a poorly adjusted/bitter wreck.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-30 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
people are entitled to be recognized as a HUMAN BEING

This. You're not entitled to recognition for doing something you didn't do, I mean, that's bullshit. But you are entitled to a basic level of human respect. Yes, it's important to teach kids that the real world isn't always nice - but it's also important to help them make it a better place one day. And a decent sense of self-worth is also good. Take it from someone who struggles with self-loathing. That does NOT a well-adjusted adult make.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
If someone does nothing, then they're entitled to nothing.

Wasn't the whole point of participatory awards in the first place to tell the kids who lost the game/match/etc. that they didn't exert all of their effort in vain? It was a reaction to the "winners-take-all" mentality that runs rampant in U.S. school culture -- i.e., the idea that losing was in essence the same as doing nothing at all.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-28 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
New Anon

...Huh, that's a good point, and I'd never thought of them that way. Everybody talks about participation awards as though they're "trophies for showing up," but that's better than teaching kids that, "if you didn't win, you may as well not have shown up."
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-12-28 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
First, like another anon said, yes people do give a shit. You sound really cynical.

Second, I really don't see what the big deal is. I always thought my participation trophies were ugly and pointless and I thought the only reason they did it was because trophies look cool and people like them. Maybe I'm missing something? I didn't really care about mine and they eventually got thrown away.

The medals I actually earned at music contests in high school? Those I still have up on display and I'll always keep them.

I guess what I'm saying is, I can tell the difference, and I think I could when I was a kid too.