[ SECRET POST #2187 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2187 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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09. [WARNING for rape, sexual assault, gore]

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Comments

[visp]

Cersei is bitter and twisted, mainly because she's denied any chance to excel because, as a woman, she's just a brood cow - and she has to watch her twin brother be granted everything she's denied. Lysa Tully murdered her husband because even if he was kind to her, she hated the fact that she was forced to marry him and forced to abort her first child, instead of being able to marry the man she loved. Mirri Maz Duur kills both Drogo and Dany's unborn child because even Dany's kindness to her doesn't outweigh the fact that Dany's the queen of the tribe of assholes that raped her. Dany repeatedly says that she'll never permit slavery because her brother sold her to Drogo and that's not something that should happen to anyone. Arianne Martell attempts a coup against her father when he doesn't see her as an equal to be brought in on his plans regarding her future and marriage, and instead expects her to meekly follow along.

[(Anonymous)]

Cersei and Lysa are two of the books' most-hated characters, whether or not that was GRRM's intention. Either way, he doesn't seem to give either of them much dignity and a lot of their contentions with society can easily come off as shrewish hysteria. He seems to prefer female characters who don't "whine" about their sexual abuse (i.e. Dany and Sansa), or at least, they get a better deal.

I just don't think any of those are examples of rape being deconstructed, they're just examples of women who are pissed off their situation.

[visp]

So, what's rape being deconstructed, if not looking at the short and long-term effects it has on women, and how they respond to it?

[(Anonymous)]

Cersei and Lysa would be good examples if they were written with any kind of dignity. Instead they're written as shrill, conventionally "hysterical" overprotective witch-mothers who make everyone's lives miserable. Like I said, he seems to show preference to the female characters like Dany and Sansa who suck it up and don't make noise about it.

[visp]

Dany doesn't suck it up - she razes cities and bases her anti-slavery views on her past. Cersei is written with sympathy and dignity, and also has "sucked it up" for 15 years. "Hair grows back." Sansa is one of the most disliked characters out there, so I'm not sure where you're getting this info from. The worst one is Lysa, and there's a point to her being such a messed-up creature: it disproves the "but patriarchy is ok so long as the guy is nice to his subordinate wife." Because even then, it's not enough to stop her from hating her life and going nuts, because she's still not free.

[(Anonymous)]

..So basically what you're saying is that you don't want "rape being deconstructed", you're saying that you want to see rape being deconstructed in the way that YOU think it should be.

[(Anonymous)]

Either way, he doesn't seem to give either of them much dignity and a lot of their contentions with society can easily come off as shrewish hysteria.

That's not how I interpreted those characters in the slightest, especially Cersei. Her inner thoughts in her own chapters show that she has very reasonable issues with the patriarchal society that she lives in. But her chapters also show us just how warped and paranoid her environment has made her.

Also, Sansa is still a little girl and hasn't had to go through nearly as much in her short lifetime as Cersei has.