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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-29 02:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2188 ]


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[personal profile] ill_omened 2012-12-30 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Probably because they can't educate for shit.

It's certainly a trend in a lot of the more strident activist communities, in that they can't actually hold a drawn out structured coherent argument, without getting rings run round them.

Now a number of the complaints they make are missappropriated but valid ones. The tone argument for example, did at one point have an actual meaning and reference to a certain approach used to shut down conversation. Or the constant influx of people asking literally the most basic questions in activist spaces involved in high level discourse. Mansplaining underwent a similar trajectory.

However, almost exclusively now they're used as a response for an inability to actually defend what you're saying, which seems to be some sort of bizarre overton window ala Singapore, in which any question of the ideas or boundaries is disallowed to keep the veneer of validity, because it's about two seconds from collapsing in on itself for having absolutely no real grounding.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-30 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Probably because they can't educate for shit.

I also think that part of it is that they may not even know why doing or saying 'X' is a horrible, horrible thing and makes you the vilest of human beings ever for saying or doing it. They're just parroting what they've been told by their SJW-overlords.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-30 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
See, words like "SJW overlords" make what you're saying sound unlikely. It's true that a disturbing number of young people are being taught to treat activism as something you receive the theory of from eminent authorities on the subject, and then defend to the world at large. When it should be something that you run through your own mind and either thoroughly understand why this makes sense, or challenge because it doesn't.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-30 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
If they really can't argue, as opposed to "are convinced they shouldn't have to," they need to learn. If they won't, the community needs to make it abundantly clear that these people aren't activists in any sense we recognize and don't speak for us.
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[personal profile] kittenmommy 2012-12-30 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)

And a lot of (if not most of) the people pulling this crap aren't even marginalized people. No, they're so-called "allies".

I'm not a marginalized person, but I think that with allies like those... etc..
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[personal profile] kittenmommy 2012-12-31 04:06 am (UTC)(link)

I'm not a marginalized person, but I think that with allies like those... etc..

Oops, I actually do qualify as a marginalized person. I have Cerebral Palsy, but I didn't find out about that until 2010 (and I'm probably older than a lot of the parents of the folks who post here, so... yeah). I can "pass" as "normal", so even though I am technically a marginalized person, I've never felt that particular stigma.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-31 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
That would be extra-special weird, because a lot of SJW stuff blasts allies.