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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-29 02:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2188 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2188 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-30 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I might. But some of the SJW tactics I've seen don't look like straight-up trolling to me at all. They look like rat-fucking, which is an old Republican party term for posing as the opposition and then doing things that attract negative attention from the public at large.

It first occurred to me that some of the SJWs sounded like conservatives in disguise when I heard about their reviling interracial marriage. Then other things, like the fact that they're ... unwilling? unable? to actually say what their side stands for or why they're speaking out against [whatever] made more sense. Saboteurs don't want to give anyone who doesn't know about the ideology of the group they're infiltrating reasons to agree with it. They want it to stay off-putting and foreign.

The other thing that really struck me was how much the SJW tone had in common with the way right wing pundits argue and harangue. The left has a tradition of I'm educated being a badge of honor. You establish your credentials in the group by speaking eloquently, not by making emotional appeals. And there's sort of a ... "first person to be reduced to insults and rage loses" rule. This is not the case in activist safe spaces, where venting is allowed, but it is very much the case in terms of how they present themselves to the world at large. Liberals, even radical liberals, believe in educating and convincing people that the world should change in X, Y, and Z ways.

TL;DR Bullying, threatening, and mobbing are all antithetical to improving the way the majority feels about any mistreated minority. A person who actually wants to help the cause they're acting as a spokesperson for should know this. So I'm not sure what they SJWs game is, but when I can't tell the difference between [whatever they are] and intentional sabotage, there's something very wrong.
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[personal profile] kittenmommy 2012-12-31 03:18 am (UTC)(link)

So I'm not sure what they SJWs game is, but when I can't tell the difference between [whatever they are] and intentional sabotage, there's something very wrong.

YES.
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[personal profile] fuchsiascreams 2012-12-31 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
What the fuck? Why the hell would they be against interracial marriage?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-31 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
The gist was that it was bad because the white person *must* be fetishizing the POC. Who is only in the relationship because of internalized self-hate. Seriously, it was a fucking train wreck of offensive assumptions. But it had the one, positive effect of breaking the SJWs credibility, in the eyes of a lot of people who'd been cutting them slack, before.