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⌈ Secret Post #2189 ⌋

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What about someone writing stories about raping children?
Fiction, and not always meant to be about getting someone off. (In fact, it's often meant to EXPOSE the horrors of abuse.)

What about people who read and fap to stories of children being raped?
Creepy, but still a fictional child, and much preferable to actually going out and raping a child.

What about people who write stories about screwing sheep?
Fiction.

What about people who read and fap to stories about screwing sheep?
Fiction. Doesn't mean they're going to actually screw a sheep.

Oh it's all fiction, it's all okay, we are all special snowflakes who must never be shamed.
But it IS fiction. Nobody is actually getting murdered, nobody is actually getting raped, nobody is actually engaging in bestiality. And in some of these cases, they might actually be using it to cope with something, as I am.

Not every person that reads a murder mystery is going to kill someone. Not every person that reads a story about rape is going to rape someone (or is even doing it to be turned on).

I seriously hope you've never, ever, ever enjoyed any fiction that contains anything illegal in it, because based on what you're saying you're just as guilty of it. Ever read something with murder in it? You're a murder by your own logic.

According to responses in this very thread, you are shaming ACTUAL ABUSE VICTIMS for ways THEY are using to cope. So congrats, you're a heartless asshole. YOU should be ashamed. You're causing more damage to actual abuse victims than someone doing something completely in the privacy of their own bedrooms with consenting adults that aren't actually related to each other. You are telling people that they should feel evil, just as much as those that abused them. YOU SHOULD BE SHAMED FOR THAT.

OK, points to you for not descending to the automatic SJW knee-jerk conga, but here's where your "it's all fiction" breaks down: There is an old acronym that's been kicking around the computer field for thirty-plus years:

GIGO. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

It's all fiction, it's not real life, BUT it IS images and thoughts that you are willfully allowing into your head/mind/subconscious/etc. So, even though you might consciously, with your higher brain, think you can compartmentalize it, you've only got one brain, and the wiring runs throughout; so you CANNOT compartmentalize it, at the deepest level.

It's one thing to try and justify it and say, oh you'd never do that in real life. Maybe not consciously. However, if you're OK with those kinds of disgusting scenarios or images in your head, then you are desensitizing yourself to the point where one day, it just MIGHT, in the wrong circumstances, be OK for you. Do you want to take that chance? More to the point, why do you want to keep that kind of garbage in your head in the first place?

Which isn't even addressing the fact that OP actually does want to do this to someone IRL.

You've got a lot of nerve talking about people knee-jerking, you know. You are a seriously arrogant person, or at the very least, you write like one.

Not to someone. With someone. This isn't going to be some victim, he's wanting a consenting adult that is interested in it.

I'm not a SJW. I think most of that stuff is stupid. But I'm also an actor, a writer, a roleplayer, and an adult that can clearly distinguish between reality and fantasy.

Again, I'm going to ask you to address this, and I want you to give me a straight answer instead of dodging this question: Do you think an actor that plays a murderer is going to actually murder someone? Do you think that someone that roleplays a murderer will roleplay someone? Do you think that someone that plays a violent video game will murder someone?

I'm not going to address your assumption that I'm "arrogant" just because I have an opinion that differs from yours. Was my SJW crack knee-jerk? Maybe so. You're still defending something that I think has no defense, but again, that is my opinion. You disagree. Fine.

Here's why I think OP would be doing this TO someone (regardless of stated consent); as stated upthread by a DA, he might end up in bed with someone still dealing (or not dealing) with the effects of their own trauma, so it might not even be as consensual as EITHER party believes it to be. Who knows, maybe OP is not dealing with the effects of his own trauma, IDK, and for all of us to sit here and try to guess that WOULD be a knee-jerk response, so I'm not going there. Plus, given the nature of the actions, even stated consent would be to act out that there is NO CONSENT...which is just a little more than sketchy, in my opinion.

As for your "credentials" -- based on your CV, and your age, again, talk to me in 15 years. I will answer your questions in order though, if you want to keep arguing that's fine, I don't want to, because I've stated my opinion, you disagree, we've established that we disagree, it's time to move on if you don't have anything further to add besides accusation and vitriol.

"Do you think an actor that plays a murderer is going to actually murder someone?"

No. But here's the difference between someone playing a murderer and someone in OP's situation: I would hope someone playing a murderer is NOT getting off on it (having the reward centres of the brain activated), whereas OP's would be, if he's serious, and this is his thing, and the scenario plays out. That adds a whole separate level between the two situations that are not, in my opinion, not directly comparable at all. Someone playing a murderer is not going to get satisfaction from doing so (at least, I hope they wouldn't).

"Do you think that someone that roleplays a murderer will roleplay someone?"

I assume you mean, will a roleplayer murder someone? That's debatable. Is the person roleplaying the murderer deriving satisfaction from it? If so, then, yes, the potential exists, given the wrong set of circumstances. And, should said roleplayer ever find themselves in a situation where they could be (which is not likely to happen, I'll admit), then they may have inadvertently "primed the pump" for them to do so, should the perfect storm ensue. Finally, I don't personally understand why someone would WANT to "roleplay a murderer" in the first place. Unless you're getting paid to do so (which actors are), there doesn't seem much reason (to me) to want to engage in that kind of behaviour, pretend or otherwise.

"Do you think that someone that plays a violent video game will murder someone?"

I do believe the possibility exists for this to happen, and the escalating gun violence by teenagers in recent years would suggest that there may be a correlation. That said, there are studies (not particularly well-done studies, I admit) that one can mine for support for either hypothesis. (That violent video games do or do not lead to violence.) The ever-increasingly immersive nature of the first-person-shooter games make this more likely, in my opinion (note those three words please).

I'm not saying absolutely everyone who plays a violent video game WILL murder someone; I am saying that, if the circumstances exist, then it is possible that these violent video games MAY prime the pump for someone TO go out and do this, if they do reach a point where it's impossible to tell fiction from reality (i.e., due to schizophrenia or some other mental disorder, disaffection with their lives, emotional or physical abuse in their lives).

YES, there are a LOT of factors that would have to come together, and yes, it WOULD be a perfect storm situation, and not likely to happen to say, every other gamer. But the possibility exists. Just not in a black-and-white, either-or, ALL gamers will be violent OR no gamers will be binary set.

I have answered your questions.

That is the most words I have ever seen someone use to say "I have no idea what is going on, nor am I even going to attempt to understand that other people think and feel things differently than me, but I am going to judge you so hard!"

BTW fifteen years older =/= more life experience and the fact you assume so and keep tossing it around only highlights that fact.

I'm having a difficult time even reading the rest of this comment because I'm really upset that you just implied that being molested robbed me of the ability to give consent to someone else. I'm very, very deeply offended that you would think of someone like me that way.

Also how do you know that they wouldn't be roleplaying out a scenario where it's two consenting adults engaging in something consensual? They wouldn't have to roleplay out any abuse. (In fact, based off of OP's secret it doesn't sound like he's at all interested in power imbalance.)

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I am sick of people acting like abuse survivors need people looking after them and second-guessing what they think and do for the rest of their lives.

At its core, your argument is no different from "Oh, but ... without religion, we're all slavering, violent apes with no impulse control!"

Impulse control. We all expect people to exercise it. The difference is, you're expecting people to exercise it because they don't know any other way to act and I'm expecting people to exercise it because they are people and I hold them to that standard no matter what they put in their head.

Unless you're arguing, as a corollary to absolute censorship, that everyone who manages to circumvent it and fill their heads with "garbage" is blameless for their actions, I think you're a hypocrite.

And if you are arguing that, I'm still grateful that you don't have any power over how I choose to live.

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