[ SECRET POST #2195 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2195 ⌋

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Comments

[thene]

(Btw there has been an obscenity court in the UK case involving fanfic - a violent RPF rape fanfic, ie. about the most heinous thing describable as fandom - and the case was abandoned, partly because the defence were able to prove that the odds of random kids finding the fic and reading it were amazingly low. Here is a pretty thorough article about this and other attempts to prosecute people for obscene text in the UK (tw: contains a detailed summary of a fic that involves noncon and sexualised gore), the takeaway being that it is no longer possible to convict someone for obscene writing in the UK, period. Key quote: "Obscene printed material is a contradiction in terms.")

[aquila_black]

Interesting. I had not seen that. It's a pretty ringing victory for fanfic, because that's about as fringe as it gets - RPF, rape, extreme violence, and written by a man, to boot.

It helps that he wrote in a large fandom, where they could argue that you'd have to look for some of the themes in his fic to have any chance of finding it. Fandom needs to challenge this idea that things the public at large is uncomfortable with should be well hidden from kids, at best, and preferably not written at all. If we're serious about giving people the option of coming out as fans, that's a trend we have to challenge. (Right along with the idea that workplaces have a right to tell you what to do with your free time, etc.)

"The only material that should be banned is that whose making can be proved to have involved the commission of illegal acts, such as non-consensual sex." This is the standard I want applied to all porn - one that penalizes only demonstrable harm.

Most of the "pornography is hurting women" arguments are unintentionally sexist. They're geared towards a presupposition that all available porn is made by and for men, and is about ravishing women. That is becoming less and less true by the day, and the establishment is still kicking and screaming over it. But I think that's the direction that true emancipation is going to come from.

I'll say something else. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a number of years. I'm not an authority on anything except my own experience, but that was fascinating. Censorship of imagery was very, very strict. You would not see a woman's body from the face down or with their hair uncovered anywhere - not on billboards, not on television, nothing. And when people went out, they covered from head to foot, leaving only their faces visible. (Really conservative women covered everything but their eyes.) Some of the Western women bitched about this a lot. But you know who complained even more bitterly? The guys. Not kidding: they felt a stiffed and deprived because they couldn't ogle women. And sexual harassment was completely unheard of. They'd kick you out of the country for that. It was ... a huge, welcome change, as the teenage girl that I was, not to have to put up with the persistent attention of full grown men. And it was tremendously freeing not to have to deal with women's mostly-naked, emaciated bodies selling products everywhere. I get really impatient with arguments about what's good for young people because a) no one ever listens to what young people actually want and b) if it inconveniences the bottom line or the adult world, well, screw that. Let's be honest here. Most of the morality laws exist to oppress minorities and/or fuel pointless arguments. They do not, in practice, make it any easier to grow up female.