[ SECRET POST #2196 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2196 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes! To all of this! And funnily, I even feel some sympathy for Ned in this situation, if not nearly as much as I feel for Cat and Jon. R+L=J was highly dangerous information, and I get why he felt he had to keep it an absolute secret. That's not to say I think he made the right decision, but I get why he might have felt it was the right thing to do.

But, yeah. Sometimes I amuse myself by imagining how Jon and Catelyn would probably be shocked by the degree of animosity from all sides when readers discuss their situation, and telling everyone to just calm the hell down. There may be no love lost between them, but they also don't seem to wish each other ill at all. The coldness between them stems from the situation; I don't think it was ever anything personal for either of them. When Jon thinks uncomfortably about Catelyn in later books, it's always about her obvious discomfort at his presence and how it made him feel, but it's never about her as a person, if that makes sense. Never once does he speak disrespectfully about her (not even when Robb practically invited him to do so), and even when he thinks about her negatively, he never uses disrespectful terms.

Likewise, every single negative thought Cat has about Jon is based solely on the fact that his presence reminds her of Ned's supposed infidelity. Never once is it based on his personality or behavior, never once does she complain about him being "whiny" or "bratty" or "entitled" or any of the other things people often call Jon during these debates. This is probably in part because she kept her distance and never really got to know him. But I think it's also also because, based on what she did know of him, she didn't really have anything against him as a person. The absolute worst thing she ever thinks of him is that he might try to take her children's inheritance someday, and even then, she later all but admits to Robb that no, Jon himself probably would never do that (I'm referring to when they argued about Robb naming Jon his heir, and she says something along the lines of, "You may feel that Jon would never steal your inheritance, but what of his children?" Idk to me that sounded like a tacit admission that deep down Cat knew Jon wasn't the type of person to steal Robb's inheritance, but maybe I'm reading too much into it?). Phew, sorry for the tangent; I bring all this up because there's always someone in the pro-Cat camp* who brings up Jon's purported "whiny" nature and generally ~unpleasant personality as if it's even relevant, which is ridiculous because Cat actually doesn't seem to have any problem with Jon's personality. (*Not that the pro-Jon camp are any better, because they are decidedly NOT, and in fact can often be worse. I'm not meaning to pick on Cat fans here, just to be clear.)

Anyway, TL;DR: Cat and Jon didn't actually dislike each other, they disliked the situation they were in, and both of them would probably be telling their own fans to just calm the fuck down already.