[ SECRET POST #2201 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2201 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Monty Python]


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[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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09. [SPOILERS for Arkham City]



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10. [SPOILERS for Django Unchained]



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11. [SPOILERS for Evil Dead Remake/Reboot]



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13. [WARNING for rape]

[Skyfall]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #314.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Non-fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that the anti-bootstraps argument is logical and that the repeated use of it should mean that you should complain about the people making the bootstraps argument, since clearly you agree with the opposite side...?

Re: Non-fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

But...not having an edge doesn't automatically exempt you from success based on your own sacrifices and effort, which seems to be the implication a lot of people who scream "BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!!" are making. It just means that some people have to work harder with less to achieve the same success. Is that fair? No. Should all services that help people who are struggling be cut off? No.

But today, you try suggesting to someone that they go without something they want or take a second job so they can save money for the school they want to go to or the garage business they want to get off the ground and what you get is a lot of "FUCK YOU, THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT GIVE ME JOY!!!!! WHAT, ARE YOU SAYING POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER HAVE JOY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PULL OURSELVES UP BY OUR BOOTSTRAPS?!!!!"

Obviously, this is not a scenario that applies to the poorest among us, but I don't think it's generally the poorest among us making those arguments. Because they're working too hard to spend their time bitching on fandom secrets.

Re: Non-fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

Let me tell you, "achieving the same effect" is nigh impossible when you come at it from a certain angle. You're right, a whole lot of people using the bootstraps argument didn't experience this situation, and I kind of want to punch them in the teeth for that. But they're noble in their own way for at least knowing the argument should be made.

As someone who has paid taxes once (I have the once been paid enough for there to be a point in filling out all the tax forms) and who was raised in a household with an income that most people would laugh in the face of living with, HARD, I worked my way through high school despite mental illness, I survived college and got out with two degrees, and I can tell you I have pulled on those bootstraps so hard that they've broken. If I were from a different economic class, one that didn't receive donated toys for Christmas or school vouchers to go to a school where kids didn't get shot in the parking lot, maybe I'd be able to go into the only job I'm really capable of doing, academia, because my mother or father could loan me the 200-300 dollars I need to apply to grad school. Sadly, we literally live paycheck to paycheck.

Yes, some of that paycheck goes towards living a life that doesn't revolve around every second of every day making money. We buy a kid a Happy Meal. We save up and buy a computer for the house so we can stay connected to the world and (in this economy) apply for jobs. To say that means our lives aren't hard and that we feel entitled to those things and that we should just work harder -- and what, never see our families?

You may not be meaning to, but you're making the argument that it's okay that middle class people have a cushion to fall back on and poor people don't, because if poor people work hard enough, they will, too. Except that the middle class gets to rest on that cushion, whereas the lower class JUST WORKS. And that's unjust. Deal with it.

tl;dr: This argument is very real to some of us, okay? Don't degrade it just because some dumbasses fail to use it or understand it.

Re: Non-fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

I am not disputing ANYTHING that you've said. In fact, I've very clearly said that the scenarios I propose DO NOT APPLY TO EVERYONE. You are extrapolating wildly and projecting your situation onto my words.